Is the United States already a Socialist nation?

I believe it may be already.

Reasons are:

1.Since the implementation of our first welfare program in the form of Social Security,the Entitlement mentality of the public has exponentialy grown almost on a yearly basis.

2.The amount of control that the government exerts upon its citizens has grown to the point that one cannot do anything without running afoul of one regulation or another.

3.The attitude of false equality that exists,and is being promoted by the liberal left leaves us to believe that all persons must have or be eqaul to everyone else.If we do not hve something,the goverment takes it from those that do and gives it to us.

4.There seems to be a feeling in the goverment that we taxpayers do not own the property we are paying taxes on,but merely own the right to use this property.That property may be taken at any time,in the publics interest.

5.The goverment seems to be controling where we live and go through various zoning schemes and regulatary controls.

6.The taxes that we have to pay have become to onerous for most people to bear.This includes all the government fees that we are charged in the form of licenses,applications for various permits,usage fees etc.

7.The increasing appearance that people seem to be unable to do anything for themselves.The goverment will take care of us.The government will make decisions for us.

The list can go on and on,but I have the feeling it may be to late.Does anyone agree with me?If so,why?Does anyone disagree?If so,why?

Apparently, you have not been to Europe for an extensive period of time?

The US is far from being classified as true or geniune socialist or having any resemblance to socialism.
Btw, you are aware that geniune socialism has never existed, being it is based upon equality [ie: equal distribution of wealth, etc.]

There have been small moments, a couple or so, in history where there have been some glimmer of it, but they disappeared about as rapidly as they appeared.






seekerof

[edit on 13-8-2005 by Seekerof]

Compared to Europe? No


Way to damn socialist in my mind? Hell Yes

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I do believe that Social Security is the largest budgeted government socialist program ever.

But it took a largely capitalist economy to support it.

To even be a good socialist you have to be some kind of capitalist.

I think the rule of fair laws comes first.
That gives everyone in a capitalist society the maximum incentive to produce, and 'what do you know' it produces the maximum wealth possible.

Nothing dries up capital quicker than a belief the market is crooked.

You want an economy that will grasp the very stars themselves?
Keep it clean.

I also am a conservative when it comes to resources and the the environment. These are shared and precious assets. They provide things such as oxygen to breathe, the natural environment filters toxins out of the air and water. They should be exploited on a sustainable basis. They also contain a wealth of information on how an ecosystem works and biological strategies for survival, which include potential cures for many human maladies.

Unregulated Capitalism is a recipe for species suicide.
People while often personally smart are also often collectively stupid.

Minimally regulated capitialism that preserves fairness & bio-viabilty is what i would aim for.
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The US is a fascist country at the moment and i don't see it getting better anytime soon. Cheney grew up sniffing the fumes from Haliburtons oil pumps and its seemed to have taken its toll.

America's government does have too much control in some areas and not enough in others, in my opinion. It's laws are trying too hard to control the people within. I feel like my taxes are going to destructive purposes that already have too much resources. I think we need a well budgeted army, but some of the military technology is very excessive and expensive. It's schools, seem to me anyways, are becoming more like prisons, to which you also see a lackluster performance on the behalf of some underpaid babysitter teachers. US is messed up in alot of ways on the government side of life and it's messed up alot on the free(for all) trade. It's best that neither side ever have full control, to which I think would be...Socialist. Though that is the way I feel, I certainly feel much could be changed for the better.

Why is it that freepers are so quick to slam Europe for "socialism" but never Australia?

hmm?

Can you be a little more specific?Cheneys connections have little bearing on the total picture here.If you agree with me please explain why.If you don't,that deserves an explanation as well.

Also,can you tell us why you think the US is a facist country?While there certainly are Facist groups within the country,I do not agree with that point at all.

What I would like to have here is a dialog that will either convince me that I am right,or convince me I am wrong.Exactly where does this Nation stand politically?

After reading this thread.

Makes me feel tat the US is becoming like Singapore.

Yes, we all know that fascists are willing to give up power at the end of their term...oh wait, they don't have terms, eh?

Don't be an idiot.

Is the United States already a Socialist nation?

Simple answer is no.

The Government should have control over Big Business.
In America it is the other way around.

In a true Socialist System, there should be a level of Direct Democracy. The Government should have very limited power over the public and what they do in private. Religion should have no place in School, Government, etc.

I can go on.

America is far from a Socialist Nation. Just because it has a Welfare System does not make this so.

The U.S is very far from being a socialist nation. Most socialist have free healthcare and all that jazz. We are a cross between Democracy and Republic while Socialism is Democracy and Communism. In reality its communism 2.0.

Nah... We aren't Socialist yet. Just look at the current economy. For the first time in history the wealth distribution ratio is so tilted that the wealthiest 20% of Americans control over 50% of the countries assets. The government controls about 20% of the wealth in the U.S. through taxation and is sitting at about 12th place in the world as far as economic freedom goes. Singapore and Honk Kong currently enjoy the only true "free markets."

Sorry... Taking some economics courses this semester.

i tend to think our country is a hybrid sorta, the executive branch being capitalists, the congress being communists, and the judicial branch being facists

If the US is socialist, my country must be hardcore communist. (although my country and Europe is going the wrong way the last couple of years, the social security is becoming less) Well, I really don't think the US is a socialist state just because the government gives some social security to people... while there are still people living in poverty, and not just a few.

Socialist? Sort of.

The other way around: corporations/banks controlling the government. Socialism is the other way around, even according to Mussolini himself. We're right-wing fascist.

Good observation though. It all wraps around and means the same thing to us peons in the end.

[edit on 17-4-2006 by bsbray11]

if we're lucky, it will remain that way.


...and rightfully so. i can't see how you could possibly do better than that.


yes, well... you can tell that to the politburo when you finally have your communist state? never have i seen the mention of a direct democracy in any socialist doctrine.


you neo-liberals don't even bother to read your own leaflets anymore, eh?
socialism is only the transitional period before communism. how you came to the conclusion that socialism is somehow the stage after communism is beyond me.

The U.S.A. are not Socialists. They have the money for wars, yet they cannot feed the poor? I don't think Socialists believe in war because they claim that it's just working man vs working man, fighting for a higher authority's interests who'll benefit off their hard work. And to an extent, I agree.

The US is the most anti-Socialist nation on Earth if not one of the most. The working class has no control over any means of production, education and health care money is going to the military, military recruitment is happening in schools, and schools are so desperate for money they've had to resort to allowing coca-cola, etc. to advertise on campus. What Socialist nation would prupose to have insurance privatized like Bush has? The US is nothing more than a bourgeous "democracy" usually controlled by two parties who's only difference is in name. The only real change is that the power has switched from two parties to one man, George Bush. You want a conspiracy, howbout the conspiracy thats been working since the 1800s. Capitalist exploitation of the working class. Forget about secret societies etc. We need to get class concious. You need to get class concious. Need a union, what about the IWW. Need a party, why not the CPUSA. And if youre a youth and want to take action, how about the YCLUSA. Wake up and get educated and organized because the rich have taken over and will continue if we dont counter-act.

My friend the U.S is not a socialist counrty. It doesn't even have the honor of being called a socialist country. I am a revolutionary. I know what socialism is,and this isn't it. This is a corrupt capitalist country,that is only interested in making a buck off wars and corprate greed. I am sorry you don't get what true socialism is,but let me assure you. Someday the U.S will see true and pure socialism by yours truly...