Hurricane Katrina and Capitalism: A Disaster in the Making!

Hurricane Katrina And Capitalism: A Disaster In The Making


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I think it's important to relate to as many people as possible the root causes of all of this, and so I think we should try to get this message, and ones like it, in front as many people as possible, in blogs, emails, forums, etc.

Link To Original Story: freepeoplesmovement.org...

[edited cut and paste -nygdan]

[edit on 2-9-2005 by Nygdan]

I think its important that we do not copy/paste the work of others to this site, otehr than a paragraph or two. This fact needs to put in front of all new people, which I thought we had mechanisms with which to do this.

Conform, WorkerPower. This concept shouldn't be too hard for a Socialist to comprehend!

[edit on 2-9-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

What's more worrying is the impact on the American and World Economy.

The American Economy was in a rough period [not going down but really not doing as well as it could have, especailly the USD.] this could make things worse.

I'd spend the next 3/4months monitoring the USD as well as Oil prices and the impact it has at the end of the year.

Has anyone found the economic impact for the south yet? How many million[billion?] they will have lost?

Cuba is certainly the jewel of the Western Hemisphere!

The free market will do quite well in the wake of Katrina. New Orleans and the Gulf Coast will enter an unprecedented economic boom, as a result.

Have you ever been to Cuba or do you just judge from what you hear?

It's amusing that a BBC1 travel show found that the best destination in the World to visit in 2004 must just be awful.

Edit:

In fact they went as far to say that people should go well Castro is still alive and before their culture becomes destortid and changed too much.

From the images, video footage etc, I plan on going once I can afford it. The whole atmosphere was so much better than in the other places they looked at and the other places I have been.

[edit on 8/9/2005 by Odium]

Capitalism is NOT to blame for this tragedy.

Greed and wanton oversight is to blame.

Money to shore up the levees was diverted to the ASSININE Irag War.

Heads should roll over this, and for a number of other blatant missteps.

I won't hold my breath, though.

Afterall, its just New Orleans, a National Treasure, drowning due to federal incompetence.

Capitalism allows people to gain control of an unfair share of money.
This in turn allows them to buy the Government.
The Government in turn begins to go on Proxy Wars in Iraq.
They then earn money in Iraq.
The Government has to spend money in Iraq.
The money goes from New Orleans.
People die because of a Natural Disaster.

In some respects you can easily link it together, however their is corruption in most Governments.

The best bet is to bring it out into the open, get the word out and begin to start the next revolution before we're screwed.

Yeah..... Cuba is a real Peoples Paradise.. much like North Korea and China, or North Vietnam. You should go!!

By the way, did the BBC get permission to visit the prisons, like the one where there are 6 librarians, charged with... OH NO..... having the wrong books on their shelves? I'd guess that the BBC was only allowed to see the things that Cubans, themselves, are NOT allowed to see.

Communism has only killed 100 million people in 100 years.... lets give it another chance.

Socialism has never worked and will never work. Do the math.

Greed and wanton oversight is to blame. Yes.... by the Mayor and Governor, who spent money for the levees on rebuilding a fountain in N.O. and ten other projects not levee related.

Assinine war? I see you'd rather the childrens prisons still be in operation, and the rape rooms, and the stinging rooms. You can't have it both ways.

Socialism has never, and can never work. Look at the GDP and unemployment rates of all of Europe, all of which are Socialist/Marxist countries.

Most all of what was written in the link you provided has been disproven, or is just plain crap.

Tens of millions of tax dollars that was supposed to go to fixing the levees was mis-spent..... not on the war, but on projects the mayor decided it should go to.. like a fountain, and other local pork projects.

A FloriDUH National gaurdsman, who worked on relief efforts in 9 hurricanes, said the response to Katrina was better than he's seen in the past 5 tornados.

FEMA is not to become involved until 72 hours has passed; it is the local officials who have to prepare the emergency area for FEMA to do it's job... and the Mayor and Governor failed to do so.

It was Marxist and Socialist programs which put the people of N.O. in that position in the first place. Racism played a part in the relief efforts?? What crap. If 70% of the local people are black, what did you expect to see in the dome... Asians?

Zappafan1, maybe it is about time you accept there has never been a Socialist Nation? The nearest Nation’s to Socialism is Sweden, which is by no means an evil dictatorship like you wish to make out.

How many millions of people have died at the hands of “Capitalist” Nation’s?
Religion?
Feudalism?
A monarchy?

So on and so fourth, if your argument is going to be based around the death rate of these Nation’s why do you not look at the United State’s? The mass murder of countless people World over in the hunt for ‘Profit’? You can’t claim that the racism, eugenics policy and so much more was conducted by the ‘Socialists’ when it happened in the United States. Can you?

Just a question; have you ever bothered to look at say Sweden? The fact that it has a lower-average tax than the United State's? Teh same rate of unemployment and so on?

I mean, come on, DENY IGNORANCE.

America is not a Democracy, and I hope the he** it never becomes one, for the reasons outlined below:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government.
It can only exist until the voters discover that they can
vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that
moment on the majority always votes for the candidates
promising the most money from the public treasury,
with the result that a democracy always collapses over
loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's great civilizations has been
two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence:

from bondage to spiritual faith,
from spiritual faith to great courage,
from courage to liberty,
from liberty to abundance,
from abundance to selfishness,
from selfishness to complacency,
from complacency to apathy,
from apathy to dependency,
from dependency back to bondage."
.........................................................................

Thanks to the Socialist/Democrats, we are now at the 2nd to last stage. That is NOT a fault of Capitolism, but of the change from a Representative Constitutional Republic towards a democracy. I hate it when bush, or anyone else uses that term.

Capitalism allows everyone an equal chance to make as much money as they put the effort into making for themselves.
This in turn allows them to willingly give to those who are mentally or physically less fortunate.
There is no limit on the wealth which can be created; there is not a "fixed" amount of wealth in America, or anywhere else people have liberty and freedom.

People will ALWAYS die in natural disasters.

It is not governments job to take care of you, or provide you with a house, a job, a car, or anything else If you can't do it for yourself, why should your neighbor, or tens of thousands of strangers give to you what you are unwilling to do for yourself?

The Democrats Socialist/Marxist programs like food stamps, welfare, social security, medicare, medicaid, and others.... all of which are demonstrably un-constitutional, is what is eating up more money than 5 Iraq wars, and it is those programs which will bankrupt this country.

"Communism cannot thrive without a strong democracy in place". Karl marx (paraphrased)

zappafan1, that is a joke and you know it.

Capitalism allows for people to earn as much money as they can get their hands on, that is it. It builds up to a point where money is controlled by a small group and this is what happens and we are seeing in this day and age.

How is it not clear to you that Capitalism allows control of the Government? It allows officials to be controlled by the people with the most money, the ones who can donate the most and allow them to re-run for Office. Stop trying to blame it on Socilaists and Democrats, it isn't funny anymore and that is what is destroying the West. The fact a few people are being allowed to buy out the Government.

also, you need to stop assuming I think Socialism is the answer, I'm a Neo-Socialist and I'd wager money you do not even know what we believe in.

How do you come to this average age? Which Civilisaton? How do you know it is the greatest? Were you there to experience them all?

That is your evidence to claim that Karl Marx says there needs to be a democracy in place for Communism to come-about? Oh please...



Do you know what your quote shows?

Well, let us look at the term 'thrive'.


Your quote, is why there has never been a Communist Nation. For Communism to exist and to survive, it needs a Democracy [in fact, Direct Democracy.] It doesn't need it to come about, it needs Socialism.

What is it you don't understand, or refuse to understand about Socialism/Marxism? If a government, at the point of a gun, takes one dollar I earn from my pocket (which could go towards food, health care, my mortgage, prescriptions, insurance, etc), and gives it to someone who didn't /won't work for it.... that's Marxism/Socialism. If you have questions about the "....poinjt of a gun" statement, don't pay your taxes for long enough and the IRS will be there, quite possibly with guns.

Your basic flawed theory is that all is done in the name of "profit". Next time you go in to a grocery store, don't buy anything from anyone that was grown with "profit" in mind. Uh Oh.... that coumputer you use was built of many components, by many companies who made a profit, then assembled, by companies that "profited" by providing you with a product you wanted to buy, and had the freedom to buy, with money you made (I'm assuming you work for a living) working for a company who made a profit on their goods or services, so they could "profit", and possibly offer stocks to elderly and other people who have invested in that company (and had the freedom to do so), the freedom of which was won for us by soldiers/people using products (arms, munitions, etc) made by companies who made a profit..... you just don't get it, do you?

Zappafan1, you again jump the gun.

I have a fantastic knowledge of Socialism and Marxism, with both as a theory of crime, the economy, workers rights and moral rights. In fact, I can explain most of it at a level which amazed my teachers, so I seem to know enough.

The idea that members of Society should help other members, is something we should actually want to do. I agree, people who never work shouldn't be given money however you suddenly forget that no where was this said. The idea of a Government based Health and Welfare System was to protect those who 'fall on bad times' or those who 'can't help themselves'.

If you look in depth, you will see as to why this exists in Sweden and why it is the nearest Socialist Government about with a much lower average tax [about 10%] then the United State's...

www.econlib.org...

The above puts into good perspective the false hopes of Socialism, and the false beliefs that "the rich" should pay for the failings/laziness of others.

There will always be the haves, and the have-nots
the will and the will-nots
the do and the do-nots.

No-one should have to pay for the latter half of the above

"....Also hyphenated as neo-socialism, neosocialism is one or more of the several modifications of socialist philosophy that emerged following the rise and fall of Marxism as a worldwide socio-economic movement".

It just can't work, but you'll grow old waiting for it to.

www.econlib.org...

The above puts into good perspective the false hopes of Socialism, and the false beliefs that "the rich" should pay for the failings/laziness of others.

There will always be the haves, and the have-nots
the will and the will-nots
the do and the do-nots.

No-one should have to pay for the latter half of the above

"....Also hyphenated as neo-socialism, neosocialism is one or more of the several modifications of socialist philosophy that emerged following the rise and fall of Marxism as a worldwide socio-economic movement".

It just can't work, but you'll grow old waiting for it to.

Chomsky should stick to Linguistics, as he knows nothing of the origins and costs of Liberty and Freedom.

Chomsky has nothing to do with Neo-Socialism, so why even bring him up? Again you make more swips at my quote in an effort to undermine my arguement.

Just so you are aware, that article doesn't actually identify what Neo-Socialism is, the points he makes are wrong and espcailly the part about 'Free Markets'.

Try again.

Sorry.... I don't know why that double-posted.

Odium: I agree with you completely that we should help the infirm and the those unable to help themselves... those who have "fallen on hard times" but those who willingly do not work to provide for themselves will have to do it the right way, or they will weaken and die. It is the strong, and the smart, and the willing who survive, or they pay the consequences.

Sweden also has a much smaller population with which to worry about, and they have limits on immigration.
It used to be that people came to America for freedom to work, to excel, and to become.... well.... American. Now we have those who come here to take advantage of our "free" (which it is not) health care, welfare, et-al. That is what really ticks me off.
I agree with some of what you say, but it is still the negative thoughts of what capitolism has done that somewhat irks me. In less than 300 years, Liberty, Freedom and, yes, Capitolism has raised the baseline of the human condition far and away better than has most other countries.

France, Germany, even the UK operate under a Socialist form of government.