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now a form of socialism is coming but the government is not responding




Topic started on 28-9-2005 @ 03:15 PM by missingperson


It looks like so many needs have been met in the US economy, there may not be much more than 1/2 of the population employed anymore after a while. It looks like people need to demand government programs for this situation, rather than hope for jobs to come back. If people don't specifically demand government programs for it, making the transition would not be fun. Maybe if people start to express demand for it, the transition will be easier.



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reply posted on 28-9-2005 @ 03:33 PM by Kalapadea


Considering last year's unemployment rate was 5.5%, where are you getting this theory/idea?

Just curious.



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reply posted on 28-9-2005 @ 04:05 PM by bigworm



Originally posted by Kalapadea
Considering last year's unemployment rate was 5.5%, where are you getting this theory/idea?

Just curious.

i dont know about your state but the texas workforce commision has to keep a certain number of people/ has to have a certain amount of people to keep a budget.... having said that also the percentage is based of registered non working gettin benefits not everyone who is employed. after 6 months here in tx you cant get anymore help/funds from the TWC. so i want to say 10 to 15 percent are unemployed



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reply posted on 29-9-2005 @ 01:07 PM by Amorymeltzer



Originally posted by missingperson
there may not be much more than 1/2 of the population employed anymore after a while.


During the Great Depression, the unemployment rate was 25%. This isn't the only measure of a situation, but I think it's safe to say that if we ever got anywhere close to that, SERIOUS action would be taken.


It looks like people need to demand government programs for this situation, rather than hope for jobs to come back. If people don't specifically demand government programs for it, making the transition would not be fun. Maybe if people start to express demand for it, the transition will be easier.


It looks like it's not the government's fault. You're saying the people need to demand socialism? That sounds an awful lot like democracy to me...



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 02:08 AM by TrueLies



Originally posted by missingperson
It looks like so many needs have been met in the US economy


Like what?? I'm not seeing many needs being met, but people continue to be able bodied and self sufficient nonetheless, and they get by.


there may not be much more than 1/2 of the population employed anymore after a while.


Could this be a personal issue in the guise of a societal issue?



It looks like people need to demand government programs for this situation


why?

Are you saying people are helpless and disabled?



rather than hope for jobs to come back


Your talking about the crappy jobs that have been out sourced aren't you?

I've weighed the pros and cons of this situation, and I think it's a good thing... I'm looking at it in an optimistic pov and I see this could encourage people to educate themselves in a better paying field other then manufacturing or customer service.

Health care jobs are going to be in high demand soon because the baby boomer's are going to be retiring soon and they are the majority of america right now... that field is vast, and technician's and nurses and phlebotomist's are going to be in high high demand..

These are jobs people could go back to school for instead of demanding social programs... If you fall, get up, work again.

sucking your thumb, whining, and demanding compensation won't last forever, but skills will and you can always build on them.

Man am I glad my parents brought me up to be self sufficient.


If people don't specifically demand government programs for it, making the transition would not be fun. Maybe if people start to express demand for it, the transition will be easier.


good luck.



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 02:31 AM by Ambient Sound



Originally posted by missingperson
[snip] ... there may not be much more than 1/2 of the population employed anymore after a while. It looks like people need to demand government programs for this situation, rather than hope for jobs to come back. If people don't specifically demand government programs for it, making the transition would not be fun. [snip]


Hmmm. Well if only half the people are working, i.e. paying taxes, then where does the money for these programs you want come from? People can demand all they want. If there is no money to pay for it, it's not going to happen. Plus, people that are just given something, instead of having to work for it only learn to ask for more.

But again, this is the problem with the socialist mindset. It doesn't take reality into account.



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 02:37 PM by Odium



Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Hmmm. Well if only half the people are working, i.e. paying taxes, then where does the money for these programs you want come from?


It is funny you bring up taxation, this is one of the larger criticism of Socialism is that to 'feed' all these 'National Systems' you need a high level of tax, which is in fact a lie which neds to be removed.

Sweden for example, which has a much lower rate of tax [except VAT] than America has a much better system of social care. Now when you first look at this many people 'wonder' how it happens however it is rather simple. Less tax means the individual has more money. If they have more money, they can in turn pay of their houses earlier and save up more money in the long run. It allows them to spend more money on better food, etc which in turn causes a knock on effect.

During many peoples pention they need increased levels of money to pay for housing, due to inability to buy however less tax means higher ability to buy and less people need this money and it goes on and on and on...



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 04:56 PM by TrueLies


One word:

Africa






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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 05:25 PM by Odium



Originally posted by TrueLies
One word:

Africa






What about Africa?



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 05:53 PM by TrueLies



Originally posted by Odium
What about Africa?



That's the biggest welfare state/country in the world. this poster is advocating more government programs to compensate for loss of jobs, i'm concerned about the mentality that will create.

Look what happened to the black folks in this country when lbj created social programs for them and compensation for the racial unfairness throughout the prior decades. Their mentality changed and took a victim role.

Africa is similar in that mentality. They haven't learned to be self suffient.

Why do people keep depending on centralized government fix all problems?

They are the ones who create them so why would anyone want to depend on them to fix it? Government isn't good for anything except defense for our safety from other countries. god forbid.



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 07:01 PM by missingperson


I'm with many people here I certainly hope this wouldn't happen, but I'm glad that this sparked debate, because then if it did, debate can help things happen a little faster. Already, medicine has become a little more socialized.



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reply posted on 30-9-2005 @ 08:58 PM by missingperson


I have read in the news that some young people are not moving out of their houses to go away to college. Also, I know of some people who have moved in with relatives and use food stamps. Some of these people help others by volunteering their time in the way they want to.



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reply posted on 1-10-2005 @ 02:01 AM by Odium


You make a good point, TrueLies, however you forget that in many European Nation's they introduced strong levels of Government Reforms and Social Programs to raise the level of the population up.

In Africa, they have a lot of problems that in our Nation's during this same period we never had to face. We never had such a large amount of illness and nothing like AIDs that would have set us back so many years...however in Africa they do and they need to target that.

The only way to do such a thing is to introduce more health care, more free education, etc. So that they can get illness and disease under control before they can move the population upwards.

When the people haven't got enough knowledge to cure their own problems, it falls on the Government to help them as best they can. Government is there for the benefit of the people and to protect the Nation that they govern. Pure and simple.

As for black people taking a 'victim role', in many cases they were victims. Victims of our own attitude towards them due to the ignorance and hatred we had. That was a period when we could kill them for being a different skin colour and get away with it...and in some respects we do owe them more than they have been given.



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