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Communism in America




Topic started on 28-1-2006 @ 07:35 PM by conspiracy_101


In this land we call the UNITED States of America, how is it that we are so divided over everything especially the way our land is governed. Are Americans so blind as to the fact this nation is in trouble and we are letting them take us down. It seems to me if everyone (like most of the people here) would actually UNITE to make a difference, we as UNITED Americans could do something to stop this government control. I did a search through ATS for a post on Communism in America and couldn't find anything. I found it very interesting when I came across this article stating the 10 Planks of Communism and how they seem to have been established right here in our nation. I am interested in hearing others opinion on this topic, good or bad.

Here is the link to the article:
www.libertyzone.com...

I also notice at the end of the article it talks about Libertarian, I am BY NO MEANS supporting this affiliation. I do not claim any political party as I think they are all flawed in some way.

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reply posted on 29-1-2006 @ 03:20 PM by uhgreen


I don't know if I'd say that America is Communist. Or even getting close to it. But we are moving in that direction slowly. One example is the Republican party, which is supposed to represent smaller government. Well, we all know how true that is now.

But look at soemthing like property rights. Does the government tax you on yoru property? Yes. But comparatively with other Communist countries, we have a lot of rights in regards to property.

There are aspects of more socialism, but I don't think we're at a point where Communism can be a term applied to the US.



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reply posted on 29-1-2006 @ 07:19 PM by kegs


If you really think America right now is going Communist then all you are doing is clinging desperately to a world view promoted during the cold war that you wish was true, in the first instance, and you wish still was through patriotism, even though it was all mainly just propaganda to begin with.

There is no nation further away from Communism on the planet than the US.

The term you are looking for is Fascism.

You have to understand that governments under Capitalism are capable of just as much evil as Communism, if not more so, since they have the funds to support it on a far greater scale.


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reply posted on 30-1-2006 @ 10:36 PM by EastCoastKid


America is not moving toward Communism.

And America did not create 10 Planks of Communism. People in America did that.

Having grown up in the height of the cold war, and serving in the Army during the cold war, I can tell you without hesitation, that will never happen. If you think Americans hate "terrorists," you must've been too young to remember the Soviet threat. The Red Menace.

The interesting thing is, the military is a totally socialist institution. I suppose it has to be, though. Its huge. And the demands are unique.



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reply posted on 21-2-2006 @ 03:20 PM by SFRemmy



Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Having grown up in the height of the cold war, and serving in the Army during the cold war, I can tell you without hesitation, that will never happen. If you think Americans hate "terrorists," you must've been too young to remember the Soviet threat. The Red Menace.





I've always wondered this. What did they have the military do during the cold war...besides the by of pigs, and the U2 incident. Their really doesn't seem to be too much they would've done. Just stand guard in East and West Germany, maybe keep some people in Korea, watch Cuba. I've always wondered what they had you do.

I don't believe the soviet threat was overhyped, but more....overplayed. I have a few russian friends and I know their cparents are ardent commies. They love Russia and would do whatever to protect her. They say no one in Russia would have been stupid enough to nuke the US. They love the motherland too much. I was born at exactly the same time the first major chunk of the wall fell, so I don't know much about people's attitudes then. But it just seems from what I've learned about both sides, America and Russia, would never have full out atacked the other nuclear style.



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reply posted on 19-2-2007 @ 02:50 AM by dirty_underground


This thread was started a year ago. I firmly believed it then, and still do, that we are heading into this direction. I was just wondering with all that has gone on if anyone's opinions had changed.

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reply posted on 19-2-2007 @ 08:57 AM by andy1033


Didn't a soviet leader years ago say that usa, would be a socialist contry, but the country ould not know it, becuase they would force so much propaganda down peoples throats.

seems to be that leader was right, and i bet he had a big smile on his face when he said it.



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reply posted on 19-2-2007 @ 04:37 PM by dirty_underground


I don't recall ever hearing that. Though up until a few years ago I was just another blind sheep as well. It's so easy for them to force us into this state due to the propaganda so I can believe it.

Big Smiles!!!



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reply posted on 2-3-2007 @ 02:23 PM by Nygdan


Here is a link to a free version of Marx's Manifesto:

www.gutenberg.org...


Notice what directly precedes the list:


The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degrees, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class;


Does anyone here genuinely think that the proletariat (those who contribute little more to society other than working for a wage and having children for the next generation of wage labourers) is a ruling class in America, and that its systematically enacting the provisions of the list ???

The Ten Planks


Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.


Private property clearly still exists in America. Even teh founders recognized that sometimes the government can take property for the common weal, so long as sensible compensation is given. Unless you want to argue that Washington was a communist, I don't think we can say that America no longer has private property.


A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Taxes in America are perfectly legal, agian, as recognized by the Founders. American taxes are a tiny percentage compared to what they would be under an actual Commnist system, let alone a european socialist system.


Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

The page alleges that the Estate Tax abolishes inhertience, which is plainly not true.


Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

The page tries to claim that the IRS is doing this, but that is not what the above is even talking about, its saying that you get ride of foreigners and anyone opposing the movement by confiscating their property.


Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.


ANd then the page sites the Federal Reserve System. Somehow, I think that the Bankers and Capitalists would disagree that America is a communist nation on that matter.


Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

Marx was talking about having state newspapers, not the FCC, nor the Interstate Commerce Act, which has nefarious 'communist' ideas such as


www.u-s-history.com...
Shipping rates had to be "reasonable and just"
Rates had to be published
Secret rebates were outlawed
Price discrimination against small markets was made illegal.



Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Its patently clear that teh Federal Government isn't rehabilitating wastelands and farms in accord with a common plan to give them to the working people.


Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.


And then they say that Minimum Wage makes us communist. Nonesense. Or that because families are often now 'two income', we're somehow communist, when if we were communist, there wouldn't be any income at all. Or that because we 'let' women and blacks get jobs, we're communist. Pure trash.


Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country

It should be patently obvious to anyone know that rural alabama is pretty darned different from the island of Manhattan.


Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production

I don't care if that is communist, its damned sensible to have free public schools for all kids, rather than just allowing the rich or one ethnic group to send their kids to schools.






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