Goals of Communism

1. do you know what they are ?
[ not to be confused with the 10 planks ]
more like , in addition to.

2. can you name them ?

3. how many have been achieved ?

4. where are the Commies now ?

5. what can be done to change course if anything ?

6. or, is everything "just fine" the way it is ?



and lastly , Did you know ,

7. Political Correctness was a communist goal ?

8. If not , how does that make you feel ?

Your post is dependent on the School of Socialism that you speak of, even more so by the School of Communism. To define it by points, would be to define it by each of one the writers who all hold a different view point.

Furthermore, your point on political correctness isn't strictly true. The main idea was to remove offencive terms, which is fair enough. There is no reason to insult someone on the basis of their skill colour or gender or age. If they do things that make them seem foolish, allow their actions to judge them.

If you want to discuss it, at least name which area and we can move on from there. I myself can think of 10 Socialist/Communist based writers who all have different views off of the top of my head.

odium,

thanks and that's probably WHY

there are virtually no responses !



they're like chameleons , morphing and changing [ not easily definable ]

so as not to be detected by those looking for them.



I'll think about this a bit more
before posting again on this thread .

unless [ of course ] , there is another comment.




thanks again for your consideration.

Actually, it's because your initial post clearly identified this thread as a troll not worthy of a serious response. If you would start thinking of Communism as what it is -- a political and economic philosophy, or group of philosophies -- rather than what it is not -- a conspiracy -- then you would be dealing in reality and people might want to discuss things with you.

Whatever, Ill reply..well actually its just i dint actually nkow about that political correctedness thing. Im more of a blunt honesty type myself. Not much of communist either but I sympathize with the feelings behind socialism. The abundance of the world should be in some way utilized to bring at least base standard of living to all peoples. Im cold on the idea of seizing wealth but I think we should define a world poverty line and create international incentives to raise it some some agreed upon base level that everyone agrees doesnt completely suck.

two steps


well , as opposed to posting ALL

of what I thought , and giving up a bone as it were.

I thought I'd try to garner some opinions

to see if this was a current concern or not.

perhaps I should have phrased it better

I'm not a scholar , just a rookie trying to put the pieces together

Back in June of last year, I posted this thread as a summary of socialism. The key people involved, the different aspects of it and nations which have a level of socialism.

It's a good start and if you read it and have any questions, post them there and I'll be happy to answer you.

The problem isn't that you didn't post the whole of what you thought. The problem is that you were trying to steer people towards acknowledging things of which you disapprove, such as political correctness, as Communist, when they are nothing of the kind. In saying that, I'm not trying to defend (or accuse) PC. I'm just stating a fact. Communism is something specific, a certain political and economic philosophy. It is not a generalized catch-all for everything that you don't like for political reasons and want people to fear.

You want to know what the goals of Communism are? You can find out by reading the works of Karl Marx, but I'll state it very simply.

The ultimate goal of Communism is the creation or evolution of a classless, stateless society with no formal government, in which all wealth is equally shared.

Marx's theory was that this ultimate goal could be achieved by certain intermediate steps, which he believed to be inevitable outcomes of social evolution.

First was industrialization and the development of a capitalist economy. In the process, Marx believed that society would polarize into two antagonistic classes, the bourgeoisie or owner class, and the proletariat or worker class.

Next was a revolt of the workers, leading to the "dictatorship of the proletariat" (not necessarily a dictatorship as we understand that term; he meant that the working class would rule society just as the bourgoisie rules it today) and a socialist economy.

Third was the formation of a classless society under the dictatorship of the proletariat, in which all the violence of class struggle would be gone, and the state, for lack of a purpose, would "wither away," leading to the ultimate goal, Communism.

So if you want to consider what the immediate goals of Communism are in any given context, it's not that hard.

In a preindustrial, feudalistic society, Communists would seek industrialization and the development of capitalism, because that's the next step.

In an industrialized, capitalist society, Communists would seek to organize the workers and move towards the revolt of the proletariat.

There has never been a genuinely socialist society in the sense Marx meant, because (quite honestly) his theories were a load of hooey and have never predicted anything correctly. But if there were, the goals of Communists would be the elimination of classes, leading to the withering of the state.

I realize the above does not lend itself to the kind of conspiratorial view of Communism you seem to prefer. But it does have the advantage of being grounded in reality.

two steps

I didn't want to give a bone

as it were .

I was hoping to
see if anyone had any concerns .

It seems that most people are
of the opinion it is laughable
[ what ?, communists ?, here ?,
you're joking !, this is america! etc.!!!!..]
while I on the other hand maintain
it is far more deceptive than you propose

and I believe it has morphed from your
typical textbook description to keep the
dogs from getting the scent

[ and just to be clear , I pretty much consider
commies/marxists/socialists to be the same
animal with slightly different personalities ]


I think there are probably more of them
than I would even dream of existing,
and whose numbers and locations
would probably FLOOR you.

WHAT is more deceptive than I propose? Who and what exactly are you talking about?

During the Cold War, people talked of "Communism" not as what it is (a political/economic philosophy), but instead as some sort of shadowy, half-visible or invisible and mysterious conspiracy that linked liberals, civil-rights advocates, labor unions, and anyone else they didn't like with the regime in Moscow, and even the regime in Moscow wasn't what they were talking about. It was more like the Illuminati, or perhaps the Devil.

Honestly, all that was crazy talk. And it's even crazier now, with the Communist regime in Moscow itself gone these past 15 years.



Then you are guilty of very, very sloppy thinking indeed.

COMMUNIST GOALS (From The Congressional Record, Jan. 10, 1963)
FOR FREEDOM & JUSTICE GROUP ^ | June 3, 2003 | Congressional Record

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
9. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If it's charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
10. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
11. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts forsocialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
12. Gain control of all student newspapers.
13. Use student riots to ferment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
14. Infiltrate the Press.
15. Gain control of key positions in radio, T.V., and motion pictures.
16. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.
17. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.
18. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
19. Break down culture standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and T.V.
20. Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity, as "normal, natural, healthy."
21. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
22. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
23. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
24. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
25. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the cultural education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
26. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrist can understand or treat.
27. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
28. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Odium

thanks for your comments



Two Steps Forward

Thanks for your thoughts, but you don't get it. You believe the cover stories about them, and I don't. We'll just have to agree to disagree.



fiveangelsfrank

thanks for chiming in. I recall seeing that before but it was nice of you to post it!