Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
OK, Justin. I’ve watched you work this board with your Political Science Degree. I hope you’ll pardon me for having less experience with politics
than you have, since my major was Computer Science. I don’t agree with you, to be blunt. Although I do enjoy reading the posts of someone who is
obviously educated and intelligent.
Your compliments are much appreciated, as is your alternative point of view. Thre's another post that appears just about this one that makes my
point nicely, so I'll paraphrase. I don't objest to a women being President, but I do object to this particular woman. In my opinion, she and her
husband represent a real threat to the future and well-being of America.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
I am a 47 year old father of five and a grandfather of three. I work in robotics and automation as it relates to manufacturing. I have personally
witnessed the gutting of good paying, middle class jobs since, not NAFTA, but CAFTA.
You'll get no argument from me on those points. NAFTA was launched on Bill Clinton's watch, and I've held it against him ever since. I think that
both political parties are guiltiy of selling us to our competitors and enemies one piece at a time. The examples you cite are all of them
symptomatic of the larger problem which I have talked about in other threads. Let's hit the re-wind and have a look.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
I watched the hands of Insurance companies and big business be greatly strengthened against the common working man and laborer since the Newt
gang‘s, so called, “one term”. The rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer. I’ve watched co-workers who made good wages and
paid plenty of taxes be replaced by “temporaries” who made half the pay and had no healthcare, all in an effort to compete with China’s
thirty-seven cent and hour pay wages. And, even though China does illegally adjust their exchange rates, Mr. Free Trader still believes and still
doesn’t care about the American middle class or the working poor of this country.
I think you might be under the misguided assumption that I'm carrying water for the Republicans. I've made every point you just did on this and
other web sites. I routienly bring these matters up whenever I get a chance to play radio commentator. Being opposed to Hilary doesn't
automatically make me FOR anyone else. You'll find a lot of smart and artculate peole here on ATS who hold the same if not similar views.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
If someone would say, “Hillary speaks coldly or as one looking down at people”, I wonder what their thoughts were when Bush’s mother said of the
victims of Katrina, “those people have never had anything anyway, they’ll be better off in the long run”? I wonder if the Americans who were
clogging up the drain pumps with their dead bodies will be better off? So, is a vote for Hillary just a rejection of an out-of-touch idiot from Texas?
The sad fact of the matter is that, in my own opinion, we lack good choices. As a body politic, we the voters have demanded so little from our
leaders that they've finally gotten wise to our inattentiveness. When the lie to us, we're getting just what we deserve because we haven't
demanded honesty. When they swindle us and line their own pockets, we are once again getting what we deserve because we stopped asking these guys and
gals to be 'really' honest decades ago.
Your vote can be cast for any reason you so desire. The whole point is to do so without being mad, or uninformed. Our votes would matter more if we
insisted that the people who lead us were more like us. If you got caught snitchin' parts from work, you might be fired. If your projects kept
coming in late and over budget, you might be fired. Today's politicians take avery liberal view of the the "might be fired" thing, and it
shows.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
It’s a vote against an unholy alliance of those who want a Theocracy coupled with those who want a Plutocracy. It’s a vote in favor of those who
would have a Democratic Republic exist in this country where everyone has an equal right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A place where
a president is everyone’s president, not just those of a very narrow fifty-one percent.
As a purely practical matter, you're not wrong to vote for the other guy when you're not happy with the political party that holds the majority.
That is actually how it's supposed to work. I've made this point in other threads on ATS, and on other sites that i contribute to. Your goal is
understandable, and commendable. Even so, I'll stand by every typographical error I've made here. I've made my case for the why's and
wherefore's of Hillary, and I'll stand by them. The Dems have other options open to them just now, and one of this is named Barack Obama.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
It comes down to equal representation and the fact that Americans are made up of all races and religions or non-religious and no one group of
Americans should have the right to subjugate other Americans when every taxpaying citizen of this country is protected by the same rights and freedoms
that are afforded under our Constitution and Bill of Rights! A Democratic vote is a denunciation of the mob bosses who used the pretext of a war to
“patriot” away our rights and freedoms and it’s against the ones who waited for their Pearl Harbor event to set their plan in action.
The social equality you're asking for requires a national journey towards those goals. We can take the journey if we put civic-minded people in
office. The "real" civic mind souls among us will most likely NOT be known for their abuses of professional power, nor will they be noted for their
misuses of public monies. They might even be known for the family values that make it possible for a hard working person to have five kids.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
It’s a vote to show the American public that a building can not fall at free-fall rate unless the bottom floors are being blown out before it as it
is with all controlled demolitions. It’s a vote to show the American public voting machines that started out with minus forty thousand votes against
Kerry and districts that had more Republican votes than they had people in that district. It’s about fraud, lies, deception and hypocrisy from,
so-called, “religious” people.
You're asking for just and righteous penalties that cannot be meated out through a vote. Before you reach for that keyboard, stop and think about
one thing. Most of the people who read your response to this will not disagree with you. they'l want everyting you've jsut outlined. Trouble is,
they won'tget it with their votes. Not when the only choices are the same people who've been doing everything you've just accused them of. the
only way to make your vote generate penalties will be to choose candidates who will actually make reforms that will bring about those penalties.
Originally posted by Brentzxturbo
It’s about the thousands and thousands who have now died to ensure oil and oil companies remain the chief recipient of all our energy dollars. In
Short, how many times have we been told to vote for a change, only to get more of the same? We’re headed for destruction. If it takes the different
thinking of a woman’s brain to change direction, then I’m ready for it.
My speculation is that Hillary Clinton will be guilty of everything you've just outlined by the end of her first term. If I took a poll, I'd
probably be able to figure out that most of the people reading this post agree with you. Most of us want what you ask for. We're just not going to
get it from this person.
The truth is that...as you say...the system is broken. Even if we assumed that Obama was as clean as he portrays himself to be, he's just one man
and he can be bought or coerced by the present plutocracy that you've so concisely outlined. Until we send enough good peole to Congress to tip the
balance, we're going to get what we deserve. Before they can be Deomcrats, or Republicans, they need to be good citizens. Until they are good
citizens, people like me and the others you see posting here will keep talking about them and all the rotten things they're going to do to us.
No offense was intended. That must've been a very small joke. Slay on. 
