but the government has NO BUSINESS representing god.
Says who? As far as I am concerned the Constitution states the government and religious authorities may not mix, and that the government may not
support or represent one religion - i.e. Catholicism, ect.
and it's odd that my tax dollars go to printing money that has god on it that i then have to give back to the government.... perversely circular.
The federal reserve currently prints the money, which is not government controlled its a group of private corporations / banks.
Aside from that, your qualm here is what? God is on you money that the "government gives you" --- if your a gov employee maybe --- and you then
give it back in taxes.................................. Wow.
insightful indeed.
actually, God is only yahweh or allah
Says who? God is an entity or deity that is often immortal, at any level, supreme and "higher" if you will, then the rest of humanity, and thus us
worshiped in any given religion.
"God" in Christianity is like saying "It." God is God above all God's in a sense to all three monotheistic religions, but is not isolated to the
three.
the only 2 monotheistic deities.
2?
the problem is that god and God are two different things...
Yes, this is true, God is a god, but all the words are capitalized, so what is what right?
and it still oppresses a part of the population to put it there,
Yes, indeed it does, it suppresses the right to not believe.
but removing it oppresses nobody.
WRONG! It suppresses those who DO believe.
To say those who don't believe should not have to see God everywhere and that it is the believers job to make sure it is secular in everyway, it is
then the non-believer who is oppressing the right of freedom of expression, religion, ect.
One mans freedoms is another mans suppression.
...majority rules shouldn't be at the expense of a minority
Turn that around buddy. The minority rule shouldn't be at the expense of a majority.
the problem is that we can remove the "in god we trust" smack "e pluribus unum" on it instead and EVERYONE is happy
But IS everyone happy? Or...... are you?
it really doesn't hurt anyone take it off
.....In your opinion, in my opinion it is just anther form of oppression -- the oppression of secularism.
but it hurts people to keep it on.
Because atheist demand secular dollars. Hmmm. Or at least .001% of atheist do, the rest could give a damn.
...shows exactly how much you knwo about where my data is coming from... census figures primarily.
Links?
51% has no right to oppress 49%
True.
hell, 99% has no right to opress 1%
True.
99.9% has no right to opress 0.1%
True.
Except....
49% has no right to oppress the 51%..
1% does not have the right to oppress 99%
And hell, .1% has NO right to oppress 99.9% of the people.
In the quest of secularism the rights of those forsaken are just as often overlooked then those of the society that they turn from..
The oppressed become the oppressors. Where is the line drawn?
no, saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about god or the abscence there of is secular. not even talking about the subject is secular.
In your opinion.
Show me in the constitution where it even hints that a government cannot even utter the word God.
a totalitarian state is hyper-left?
Socialistic / communist states are, yes.
Not all neo-cons???? Whats this???
liberal? a complete lack of CIVIL RIGHTS is liberal? wow... shows your position. look at the facts, stalinism and maoism are hyper-right socially and
who knows where economically.
NO, absolutely not, it is the outcome product of an unchallenged political ideology, hyper liberalism turns to communist failures, and the atrocities
that follow, while hyper right societies have the outcome of the complete opposite, fascist states with the same atrocities.
Which brings the point. Where do we draw the line?
Stalinism and Maoism just because they where TOTALITARIAN does NOT MEAN that they where ultra right...
righ -- left DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BASICS OF POWER EXPRESSED THROUGH THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH ATROCITIES AND CONTROL!
it dictates the DIRECTION in which the totalitarian government runs its SOCIAL system....................
Basic political studies there friend... very basic.
yes, it gives an IN-GROUP sense of identity, community, and culture that helps facilitate the perpetuation of wars and feuds that are going on right
now. thanks for making my point for me.
Ohh do explain.
Is the war in Iraq a religious war?
we've never had a TRUELY godless society, we've had societies in which god is replaced by the state and thus becomes the equivalent.
Very true, only societies where religion is oppressed through brutality.
You will never truly take God from any people, any where, at any time.
Religions endure everything but time.
well, there are several problems there
to counter it i would point out every theocracy ever... and they show cruelty that even stalin couldn't match. then i can pull out nazi germany, the
entirety of medieval england, and pretty much the worst nations in human history that any communist nation doesn't hold a candle to.
Wrong.
Your point is bunk in this light:
Organized religions and organized theologies is what brings about such atrocities ..... not religion its self.
then there's the fact that those societies became godless BY FORCE, then each of those nations ended up following a form of state-worship or a
personality cult.. which is essentially a religion to begin with.
Wrong, unless you show a perfect example of this, it does not make sense.
Unless you mean that instead of forced atheism a forced state religion is pressed, which is not spirituality at all, but a method of control and often
used as an excuse to commit atrocities.
and i can still bring up sweden.
Whos stopping you?
....alright, so you throw out some claims and say it's sad... why?
and what the hell does this have to do with the topic at large? seriously, you're so off-topic here. this is about the united states and the first
amendment, constitutional law.
Ehhhhh its an example of failed secularism, trying to hide what you are to save peoples sensitive feelings. Entirely on topic.
