The Trouble With Islam

Then the muslims in general need to stand up against these "few" extremist who give their religion a bad name.



Thats not up for them to decide. Isreal is a country and should be recognized as its own entity. the US helps defend israel because isreal is alone without us. thats just not right.

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They don’t, only a small minority want to wipe out Israel, most just want a free Palistien.

Old Testament, but what does it matter? So is your rebuttal. The Ten commandment are from the Old Testament as well.

Not unlike the American people that believe what the US is doing is wrong.

A country occupying foreign soil, and that’s just not right.

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Do you have statistical facts that validate your claim that it is indeed a small minority? Where are the outraged protest that oppose the actions of these few then?I mean surely if there is a far larger number who are opposed to these "radical" views then surely they have many mass protest in direct opposition to these atrocities by the "few" who in fact claim themselves to be muslims. Coincidence?.. I guess its just a matter of opinion.

No but I got this
www.abovepolitics.com...

Then the muslims in general need to stand up against these "few" extremist who give their religion a bad name.

Like you said, that is "your opinion," and you are entitled to it. However, I don't see Islam "fighting to make the world a better place." I see them fighting to make the world bow down to their beliefs and customs.

Dude I did not say that the demonstrators were blowing them selves up, I was speaking of the fact that the US government launched a war of aggression in Iraq.


What???


Yet again, what your talking about is not Islam. What you are talking about is Islamic Theocracy. There is a diferance.


Not agreeing with you does not mean that I agree with them.


The title of this thread is “the trouble with Islam”. I merely showed that the particular issue was not an Islam only act.


mmm… do you mean “EXTEAMEST MUSLIMS”. There is a difference between say here’s the problem with extremists and here’s the problem with a whole swath of the population of Earth. If your only problem is with extreamests then we are in full agreement. My problem is that you have labled an entire group, as opposed to going after only members of the goup that you have a problem with.

Well I disagree with Islam’s vision at least they do stand for something, while Buddhism stands for nothing. That was my answer to your saying…

It is my position that some times “peace” is not the best action, some time you’ve got to fight. Yes Buddhism teaches a more peaceful religion, but in my opinion they take it too far, just like the Amish.

ANYTHING compared to buddhism looks horrifically violent

islam is no worse than any other religion (besides buddhism and a few other rare exceptions in relatively unknown religions)

it all comes down to how people are INTERPRETING it

I N T E R P R E T A T I O N is the key

speaker, i was referencing luke 19:27 and don't quote an extremist, it's just as unfair as me quoting pat robertson, tad haggard, or fred phelps and labeling that as all christians

Which still doesnt prove a damn thing.

Semperfoo, you asked for statistical evidence that people in Arabian nations were against many of the policies of their government, now obviously that is not going to happen, so I did the best I could to help you under stand the issue. If you refuse to except it, so be it, I can not help you.

IMO, all religion should be banned and abolished.

I come from a Christian family, and i can no longer stand to go to church with them, simply because all i see is a branch of yet another big cult.

I feel so sorry for all the brainwashed people out there hoping to one day go to heaven... simply because i believe there is no such thing. They live their lives by a book written by MEN, not some deity.

That goes for all religions. Religious wars have killed more people in history than wars over money or politics have.

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Turin,Italy. Mohammed Kohalia, calling on Muslims to hate Christians and Jews and praying for their death.Kohaila says that "no compromise can be reached with atheists, they must be killed, full stop." His take on women "men are superior" This is the same crap that Hitler used to gain power.They brainwashed people into believing this hate. This is going on in a large numbers of so called "mosques".These so called "imams" spout their message of hate,blaming on the Jews and Christians.They are turning Islam into nazism.And it seems to be growing,fast. Turning peaceful
muslims into Islamonazis,ready to kill,blow up themselves and others. Today people ask,how could an entire country[Germany] be fooled? Killing millioms of innocent people? Just go to a hate filled Mosque and theres your answer. Death to Christians and Jews.

Absolutely agreed RDang

Islamic exremism started with the Wahhabi sect of muslims in Saudi Arabia, as an off-shoot of the sunni form of islam. In 1924 the middle of Arabian Peninsula was isolated and only few scholars of Islam lived there. This made an environment for practices that were not authentic according to the Islamic teaching.
Since that time, extremism in wahhabi has grown to the levels it is today, with teachers of this form using propaganda to fuel its goal of being the dominant religion of the world. It should be pointed out that this is not their only goal - so to say it is caused by the arab-israeli conflict is patently absurd.
Islam is indeed a tolerant religion, but like ALL organized religions has fanatics who will use it to their own ends.
Speaking as a christian (who is against organized religion in any form) I can only say that some actions, and the intolerence of the ignorant, make me ashamed - christianity is supposed to be about tolerance, peace and love, yet we have people using it as an excuse to declare their own form of jihad.
As always, it is the un-educated bigots who spout propaganda, and in the process, reveal themselves to be as bad as the islamic extremists.

My religion is about how I live my life, according to the commandments, and the teachings of jesus - it is not about some bile-filled hate monger trying to brainwash me - and neither is the vast majority of islam.

The Trouble with Islam is not the religion it's man. The Political Leaders and Religious Leaders of not only this religion, but of all organized religion make laws the permit evil in the name of the church. Remember what your forces do in your name you do yourself.

Then why do the Islamist extremists kill innocent people you ask? They don't do it in the name of the religion, but in the name of the state. They believe that the citizens of Israel and other states have become as corrupt as the leaders that make the laws, which then in turn give them permission to kill everyone. They get this power also, because they say it's in the name of God, who is the problem.

Islam is a tolerant religion who are you kidding? It is the most intolerant religion.In Muslim countries all other religions are considered inferior and are made to pay a special tax. "Christianity is supposed to be about tolerance, peace and love, yet we have people using it as an excuse to declare their own form of jihad." Their is only one religion that uses jihad.Show me where in Christianity non christians are refered as "infidels"
and must be made to submit,which is the meaning of Islam,show me where christianity beheads non believers.Show me where christianity condones the murder of children,suicide killers. "It is the un-educated bigots who spout propaganda", propaganda? bull it's all true. " reveal themselves to be as bad as the islamic extremists." Really,is that a joke? By pointing truth makes you as bad as the child,innocent radical murderers. The STATED goal of the "radical muslims IS world domination,that is a fact. If I was a Muslim I would be appalled at what a small majority was doing to the religion,but then again to speak out could very well be a death sentance.

yet again rdang, you show ignorance of a stunning magnitude - nowhere in the koran does it advocate murder, in fact, and I quote "the taking if innocent life is hateful to allah"
the koran also preaches that christians and jews should be venerated as "people of the book" - they believe that we worship the same god but by a different name.

The bible is full of war, murder, betrayal and the slaughter of innocents.

Explain the crusades

Explain the inquisition

Explain witch trials

In fact, you know what, don't bother - you are the kind of fundamentalist bigot that you profess to hate - good luck with your life, I suspect you'll need it.


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Most fundamentalist say that Christians weren't involved in those things. Talking about historical revisionism. There is plenty of fault to go around to all faiths of Abraham.

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