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BiPolar Disorder




Topic started on 16-5-2007 @ 01:12 PM by Red_Dog_BOM


Bi-Polar Disorder

What is it really?
When viewed in a classical way BPD is defined like this:
BiPolar definition

I’m of the opinion, after being around someone with undiagnosed BPD, that it is not a disorder as much as it is a natural state of the human system. The difference that sets diagnosed BPD from undiagnosed has more to do with frequencies, both time based and mechanistly based frequencies.

Here I must speak in layman’s terms, as that is what I am. When I view my Mother-in-Law going through her yearly cycle from manic depression to manic euphoria, I’m seeing the end result or projection of the woman we call “mom”. Since I’m viewing her based on my own frequency, I see something different than when I view my wife or most other people.

This I can explain by defining what I mean by frequency. It could also be called a Natural frequency at which our personality projection is displayed.

Frequencies are nothing more than wave patterns. Our brains naturally emits a variety of them and functions as a result of them. A wave pattern has a height (amplitude) and a space between the peaks measured over time called Hertz. How does this relate to something like BPD?

In its simplest form, BPD could be viewed as a different oscillation from the norm. Everyone is oscillating within a “normal” frequency, whereas those with BPD are outside that norm. Again, this represents a natural system. Not a disorder.

To represent this concept I have to visualize a metaphor which describes it.
Here I see my “mom” as a T.V. set. Like all such devices they are based on receiving a variety of frequencies which project onto the screen by dialing in the specific channel or oscillation. They receive them from the “source”. In this case, the source is the true self, or soul, or consciousness which is transmitting the person to the set/body.

Now when we stand in the showroom with dozens of T.V. sets, we can see images being broadcast to our senses. They are coming at our senses as small segments of time referred to as frames per second (fps). The brain perceives a seamless expression of the images being presented because the TV is broadcasting at 32 fps (frequency). If one of the TV sets is not broadcasting at that frequency, say a lower one, we become aware that it is flickering. We start to see the static images. If the channel is being switched between stations, we also become aware of the static images and that they are changing. This becomes annoying, as anyone who has a spouse who channel flips constantly, can attest to.

What I see with BPD, is nothing more than someone who’s projection of their selves on the TV set is at a frequency which is out of sync with my own. They are switching channels and broadcasting at a pace which is outside my norm. This is to say, we are both doing the same thing, but my switching and broadcasting is in sync with most other humans, and possibly in tune with a global or Gaia frequency known as the Schumann Resonance.

The point is that there is not two people being represented with BPD, Manic and Depressed, there is the one source, like everyone else, but in their case the images being presented have either slowed down or speeded up to the point we see them as an image on the screen. The person broadcasting still feels “normal”, just like we do. It is relativistic to the source. Once we step outside this perspective of self, we can see each other for what we truly are. Projections of self.

My own personal feeling about medicating a natural condition viewed as a mood disorder is akin to lowering the power or juice running into the television set. The images may appear to come in at the right frequency, but the images have been dimmed to the point incoherence of a true projection of self. This does not appear to be the right way to tune in a television set, nor the right way to tune in a persons self.



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reply posted on 17-5-2007 @ 09:07 PM by forestlady


The "medication" that BPD's take is nothing more than lithium, a natural body salt. BPD's lack sufficient lithium, and that's why they act the way they do.



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 01:33 PM by Red_Dog_BOM



Originally posted by forestlady
The "medication" that BPD's take is nothing more than lithium, a natural body salt. BPD's lack sufficient lithium, and that's why they act the way they do.


I don't think your right about lithium being both "natural" or a "body salt"


from wikipedia;
Though in group 1, lithium also exhibits properties of the alkaline-Earth metals in group 2. Like all alkali metals, it has a single valence electron, and will readily lose this electron to become a positive ion. Because of this, lithium reacts easily with water and does not occur as the free element on Earth. Nevertheless, it is less reactive than the chemically similar sodium.


Also when you view the medical terms used to describe lithium it does not sound very good...

DRUG CLASS AND MECHANISM: Lithium is used for the treatment of manic/depressive (bipolar) and depressive disorders. Lithium is a positively charged element or particle that is similar to sodium and potassium. It interferes at several places inside cells and on the cell surface with other positively charged atoms such as sodium, potassium, calcium, and magnesium which are important in many cellular functions.

Lithium interferes with the synthesis and reuptake of chemical messengers by which nerves communicate with each other (neurotransmitters). Lithium also affects the concentrations of tryptophan and serotonin in the brain. In addition, lithium increases the production of white blood cells in the bone marrow.


All the "interferes" with natural systems and chemical messengers is what gives me a clue that it is not the right approach.

If you want to view the brains functioning as mechanistic, I'll use a simple analogy to make my point. The brain could be thought of as a radio, both sending and receiving signals based on the power of the input and the target station or frequency your broadcasting on. If your radio is acting up and swithing between frequencies to fast, would you sprinkle a light metal powder inside the guts of a radio to retune it? Obviously not, so why do the same thing to your brain?

[edit on 18-5-2007 by Red_Dog_BOM]



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 03:41 PM by forestlady


A salt is an ionic compound, usually crystaline, consisting of a metal ion and a non-metal ion. Lithium salts are what is given people with BPD. It wouldn't work for anyone who doesn't have BPD. They don't know exactly why lithium salts work, but they do know it works on BPD.
I should have been more clear; lithium IS a naturally-occurring element, but not in the body, it's in the earth. Sorry for the confusion, I miswrote that part.

Of course there are side effects, a common one being weight gain.
Hope this helps.



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 03:41 PM by forestlady


P.S. - Google "lithium salts" and you'll get alot of information about it.



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reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 06:13 AM by Relentless


Are you saying BPD should not be interferred with?




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reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 07:33 AM by jtma508


Lithium isn't the only drug used to treat BPD. It depends on a number of factors --- most especially the scale and frequency of the 'mood swings'. I'm married to a woman who suffers from BPD. It's not always fun. I'll give you my $.02 on BPD from the perspective of someone who sees it 24/7/365. But first, I have a fairly extensive medical/science background so I'm not just making this up.

The brain is an elegantly complex system from a biochemical point-of-view. There are a large number of chemical processes that regulate all manner of brain functions: love, hate, fear, rage, perception... you name it. When any of these functions run amok the person's behavior also runs amok. How can a mother drown her children? How can father murder his family? Clearly, their perception of their world (their reality) has become altered enough for 'reason' to allow these sorts of things to happen.

In BPD, the person's ability to maintain balance of their 'perception' chemical systems is compromised. Emotional stimuli that create a given response in most of us create a more dramatic response in BPD patients. Think of insulin and the way it controls blood sugar. In a normal person, you eat and your pancreas secretes insulin to keep your blood sugar under control. People with diabetes (or pre-diabetes) have an insulin system that doesn't work correctly. When they eat, their blood sugar can go abnormaly high and abnormaly low becuas ethe chemical system that is supposed to control it (insulin) isn't working correctly.

My wife could be having a relatively normal day and then she suddenly gets sopme sad news or sees something sad on tv. This can (not will, but can) cuase her to become sad (like any of us would). But where our response will be limited, her's can go deeper; and then pretty much everything will seem sad to her. Despair and hopelessness can creep in and she spirals downward. Other times, it can go the other way. In either case it will level-off within a few days.

No, I'm certain it's not a normal system. I'm certain it is a defective regulatory chemical system. BPD often appears in people where there is a familial history of similar disorders. My careful observations for what they're worth.



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reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 01:08 PM by Red_Dog_BOM


My main point with this topic revolves around the linguistic terminology such as "normal" or "real". BPD pushes those boundries and is considered outside the normal range of health behaviour patterns. My point is that is a subjective term. BPD and paranoia are interesting in that those that experience them geniunely feel that their reality is more real than ours. This would be easy to dismiss as being a chemical imbalance if many of these people throughout history had not been so creative and brought new knowledge into our realities.

There is no doubt that they are hard, if not impossible to live with or around, but are we making their lives better by dragging them into our reality?



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reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 01:31 PM by jtma508


I don't think it has anytyhing to do with altering their reality or creativity. Lots of people suffer from depression or BPD and are highly creative. Many people who have suffered from schizophrenia have been brilliant, creative people. The same can be said for diabetics.

I'm not suggesting that it would be appropriate to medicate BPD sufferers so that they do not react to emotional stimuli (although some physicians would seem to disagree). What I am suggesting is that BPD sufferers react to emotional stimuli in a way that throws their reaction way out of scale with the actual stimuli --- both in terms of severity of reaction and duration of reaction --- and that this has a significantly negative impact on their quality of life and ability to deal with the day-to-day realities of life.



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reply posted on 28-6-2007 @ 09:17 PM by BO XIAN


Lithium is natural in kelp.

I know an elderly couple, the wife gave the hubby kelp for some years and claimed it helped. But it's a tricky thing.

Normally the blood level tolerances for lithium have to be monitored quite closely as it can be easily toxic. And as I understood it in my psychoactive drug class taught by the head of UCSD's drug education track at the medical school on such matters . . . anyway--as I understood it from him, the blood levels of lithium which were effective were not that far from the blood levels which were toxic. And each person handles it differently. So initially they have to be monitored very closely and frequently until the dosage per time is determined to produce the desired blood levels.

Have been away from such for a number of years. But as I understand it, some of the modern anti-depressants are also helpful with BPD. And, that some folks get by with just the anti-depressants without lithium though many are evidently on both.

I think many folks CAN learn to monitor their thinking; train their thought habits and overcome a lot of the BPD junk. But not everyone. Lithium is a viable med for many who find no relief any other way.



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