Why does Europe hate American's foreign policy on the war on terror?

I am confident that the reason George W Bush is not getting the War on Terror finished happens to be because we are losing allies in Europe and Asia quickly faster than usual. However why does Europe hate the U.S at the moment? We saved you in World War II and without that there would not be Jewish people who could live safely in your continent and all of you would be speaking German.

First and foremost, I am addressing this to European people who feel as though they hate America. I have seen many of the anti-american threads on ATS and there is one recent one that says "Can we end the American empire before it ends us?"

What if we aren't about global control? I know there very well may be a reptillian agenda as David Icke prophecized and these reptillians may go around contacting people and know where they live and contact them by whatever means necessary... but still like why do you feel as though everything is conspiratorial?

Wars happen because of conspiracy yes, but our global policy is not controlled by a conspiracy. Why is it that when you say that you hate the American government you say that you hate the American people. You are still under the illusion that we as the people actually have a say in the world.

Plus, why do you say you hate us? It is not us you hate but it is our government and our government takes into mind the will of the people and makes a concensus about the people and it takes into account what we need and it decides what they need to do and we cannot end any wars without your support.

Obviously the European Union was created so that they could be more independent from us so that they could trade amongst themselves rather than trade among the American people so that they can keep their currency stronger our currency weaker and have not so bad ties with our enemy.

Have you ever heard of the phrase the enemy of your enemy is my friend? Well Europe's policy seems to be intent on destroying our country... that is what I have realized... a unified content can only lead to destruction.

Why do you hate us when we come to save your sorry butts every time there is a war or a conflict? The league of nations was abandoned because we left it... countries are leaving the conflict that the UN made a vote and passed so that it could create a resolution so that it could bring us in a war and they're pulling out from it and they aren't giving their troops adequate equipment and bullet proof vests that will keep them from dying?

If they are leaving the conflict that the UN started that they are in, and the UN has proved unsuccessful, we should pull out from the UN, and form our own alliance and our own currency among that alliance because the EU has been making our dollar collapse.

The problem with our nation this generation has been the UK and the EU, I am sure of it. Our policies aren't the problem it's how the EU and the UK handles them IMO.

The reason that GWB cant finish the war is that he pursues the wrong the goals. You cant win against an insurgency with military force alone unless you exterminate large parts of the population. Thats an easy lesson from 1000s of years of imperialism and expansionism, to be found in every history book.

But those that try and work on different approaches your countrymen conveniently call "backstabbers" and "spineless".



You just answered the question from the first sentence in the second sentence. Over-confidence and self-centrism. Your businesses had a blast supplying all sides of the war with means to kill each other, until your government realized that Europe is needed as buffer against Soviet expansionism - the very same expansionism that was far, FAR more dangerous than those pesky little germans. "Liberating Europe" was just a side effect that your nation HELPED to achieve (to a great extend, TBH).



What I find funny is that I never EVER heard a respectable European voice their "hate against America". It seems to be only the american media outlets that spin this myth around... and around... and around... Criticism against the USA? Everywhere. Prejudices, founded and unfounded? Certainly. But general "hate"? Nope, that is an invention from the west side of the Atlantic.




In case you have forgotten it, most european nations Are part of OEF and other stabilizing missions like ISAF. Germany for example, the "great backstabber", has about 13.000 soldiers around the world to aid the US foreign military policy. And that with a constitution that actually forbids using military power abroad.

So what it boils down to is the issue of Iraq. You say the USA can´t win on its own. Do you honestly expect Europe, or "old Europe" in specific, to throw away all principles and follow you into a war that we just don´t perceive as necessary just and justified?

The whole Iraq war opposition was never centered on opposing the USA , but centered on preventing war from our POV. It was YOU guys who took this as a personal insult, accompanied with threats, ramblings and insults from the lowest redneck to the highest government officials. We were actually quite surprised how emotional the american side got over such valid european criticism.



Actually the EU was created following hundreds of years of an integration process, and the wish to prevent future wars by economic ties. Again, this was NEVER about America. That the EU enables us to become politically independent from the USA is just a side effect, the american influence was bound to diminuish over tikme anyway with the blowup of the Soviet Union. It was also not to get off of trade relations with the USA, since every single one of the founding members already had more important and valuable trade contacts with each other before that.

A very fair assessment Mav.



The UK Government has supported all the US's efforts in the war on terror. How did the war in Iraq move the war on terror forward? I think many in Europe would support the war on global terrrorism. And the number of countries who supported and took part in the war in Afganistan were many more than those who took part in the Iraq war.

The US has claimed that the war in Iraq is part of the war on terror. Is their the evidence to support this. Do not get me wrong. Getting rid of Saddam is a good thing and hopefully some time in the future, The Iraqis will see the toppling of Saddam as a postive.

People do not feel safer because of thge invasion of Iraq. Look at the number of terrorism attacks that have been stopped in the UK. Look at 7/7. Would these have happened if the US had not invaded Iraq?

Saved us in World War II!! The typically American view of the world. Look how great we are!! If you had not had a decent president at the time, the US would have left Britain and Europe out to dry. Germany did not invade Britain at the peak of its power and the US was not involed. (Yes there was lease/lend). The war would certainly have gone on much longer with out the US on board. The jews would have surived just as they did under Nazi control.




Does the American Government understand the impact of what it is doing. Again, what right did the US have to invade Iraq? US foreign policy appears not to understand the global impact. The fact that there can be anti-american threads on ATS can only be seen as a good thing. It shows that freedom is still alive and well.

How many Europeans have seen any benefit from the war of Terror. Certainly not the UK. We had our own attacks.




The US is currently the country with the ability to project its power anywhere in the world. And the US projects this power for the good of the world. Not a change. The reason the US projects it power is for the good of the US. Maybe there is no formal plan within the US adminstration for global control but who has the power and capability to balance US power. When power is too one sided, those with out the ability to balance the power will see actions in a very different light.




How many people on this board say they hate the American people? Certainly many disagree and oppose what the current US Government is doing but that does not mean that every anti US Government thread or post, means the poster hates the American people. If an American citizen posts on these boards that they disagree with their Government, no one would say that must hate the American people.

How can you be so sure about US global policy. Can you prove their is no conspiracy? Just look at all the threads!!!




You say the US needs Europe's help to end the war of terror. Why did the US not listen to Europe before it started the war. Do you need Europe to save you? And just how many Americans who voted for Bush last time, still agree with the war in Iraq? And you get the Government you vote for. The American people voted for George Bush and knew what it was about and stood for. In essence, you get the Government you deserve.



There are many on these boards who know more about the EU and its foundation than me. The EU was not set up just because the orignal members did not want to trade with the US. Does that mean that all the States of the US joined the USA to restrict trade with the rest of the world. NO. Because it makes sense to trade locally. Just like the US, the EU has a common ways on trading and interacting. Again, the EU does provide a balance to the trade power of the US.

Your currency is weak because of economics cycles and lack of direction from your Government. Look closer to home and the trade policies of your Government rather than blaming the rest of the world.



What policy? I do see any active policy from the EU that is focussed around the destruction on the US. You are looking to blame others rather that look at home. And the UK has been the biggest supporter of the Bush war of terror. We have lose hundreds of troops and we are part of Europe.

To be continued

How many conflicts have the US saved our sorry butts. Certainly the US helped to bring the end of WWI and WWII foreward but you did not save us. Maybe if the US has invested more in the league of nations, some of these wars may not have happened. Are you trying to justify that the US is the only saviour for the world.

The UN never voted for an invasion of Iraq. The US acted with out UN approval because the members of the security council knew this was bad idea. The US is in the war in Iraq because Bush wanted it and rode rough shod over every view. Bush wanted the war in Iraq. Rather than attack Europe, look closer to home and ask why did Bush want to invade Iraq? Not becuase if WMD. If it was to rid the world of Saddam, say so. And why just stop with Saddam. There are plenty on other eveil leaders the world could do with out.

The reason was Oil and Oil is power.



The UN never started the conflict in Iraq? Of course, the US had the right to withdrawn from the UN and attempt to start its own alliance. What is the EU doing specifcally to weaken the dollar. Give us hard evidence, not just a often trotted out view.




The same old story. It's not our problem, so we must blame the rest of the world. Again, can you be specific? How has the UK (the biggest ally of the US) and EU handled them?

the simple answer is that bush minor and his cronies are pursuing the so called war on terror as a military issue and most of the other countries in the world pursue it as a criminal activity so in essence the approaches are at odds.

No, it's because the U.S is fighting idealogically motivated enemies.
Think about it.
The Islamic terrorists are often poor, with harsh childhoods and who can expect an equally harsh future.
The solution?
An afterworldly paradise, equipped with eternally replenishing virgins.
The answer?
End their harsh existance by taking as many 'infidels' down as possible.
Now don't think I pity the sadistic, gullible #%^@s. However they are easily manipulated, as they have few other sources of information.
They don't have Internet access etc.
Also it could be that you're losing allies as good ol' Dubya rampages through the Middle East, using scanty evidence to depose dictatorships U.S foreign policy installed.
Could you also rely on a different defense rather than the 'We saved your asses in World War 1/2/3!'.
Honestly, America entered both wars late (Due to the anti-war public majority), while in the Second War the German army was extremely diminished due to the infamous Operation Barbarossa.
I could point out that you should be thankful that France aided you in the War of Independance.



And I have seen the anti-European threads who seem to generalise that, as a possible majority of Europeans don't like the U.S all of Europe must hate the U.S, the hatred verging on fanaticism.
Did you even read that thread? I guess not, as if anything even hints at criticism of U.S. foreign policy past and present, it must be 'anti-American', therefore liable to the derision reserved for pro-Communist, pro-Facist etc posts.



I am critical of U.S foreign policy, though do not have the intelligence low enough to connect criticism of U.S foreign policty to hatred of American people.

More to come later.

Why we hate Americans?Let me explain plain &simple :

Ex-director of DST(in other words the french CIA) in a recent interview said:
"When you work with the Americans(CIA for example) you gotta be prepared to have lot of pressure, it's a daily matter in such situation"
"They wanna control what you do"

Says it all

Europe/US = not the same interests
US foreign policy is a joke they try to influence & we Euros were gentle to a certain point but since the fall of the Soviets (Berlin wall) with no real threat
it's all gone..GONE understood?

The war on terror is just a smoke screen to protect US interests UNFORTUNATELY for you Cowboys Europe is in effect since 2002 and more than just a "monetary system" is coming very soon..just too bad

You say "Us won the war".... the same old argument
No, US HELPED to win the WW2.I'll never thank enough the Ruskies to keep the Germans busy because your elders could have most defenitely suffered, and possibly not helped us the way they wanted...

Understood Cowboys

Well the Europeans that were pressured into joining the US in their illegal wars aren't impressed by the price they've had to pay for it.



They didn't save Europe like a big superhero, they intervened and helped us. Europe is grateful for that, they don't hate the US. But as grateful as we are, the US can't use that to mean that we owe them our people to use in their illegal wars and put our countries in danger.

And btw Russia helped end the war as well but you don't hear them going on about it and using it as an excuse to bring everyone into wars.



Europeans don't hate America. Some of them may hate American foreign policy and the way it is creating an empire to rule the world, but they have a right to because it's not a good thing for America to be doing.



Oh come on. The US government conspires loads of things to get their own way, just look around ATS and there's loads of reading material on that. That makes the US government untrustable, that's what people don't like about them.





Er no you don't. And we don't hate you anyway, I don't know where you keep pulling that from.




The Iraq war? No one wanted to go into that in the first place! And I don't blame countries for pulling out and giving their troops inadequate equipment, the war is costing a lot and taking too long.



How the UK and EU handles them? The whole point in foreign policy is that it affects other countries, so the US should be careful about what they do with it. If they upset other countries by attacking them or pressuring them into starting wars and putting their nations at risk then obviously people aren't going to like the US foreign policy.