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reply posted on 20-6-2007 @ 05:40 AM by stumason
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Originally posted by sb2012
When you are happy you are healthy. But this is something ruling elite doesn't want. They want sick and apathetic people. In debt, without hope. So
they can rule them with more fear.

See, i don't buy the fact the "Elite" want us sick and appathetic, or, if you follow the more extreme theories, that they want to kill off half the
worlds population.
Reason being, healthy, happy workers are more productive. If they are more productive, the rich benefit in one way or another. People will earn more,
consume more and the economy does well. Thus, the Elite do well. Makes no sense to bite off the hand that feeds them, so to speak.
Unhappy and/or unhealthy people are more likely to resent their lot and revolt.
Look at Africa. Systemic abuse of the people over there and their governments do not look after them. We see constant rebellions, civil wars,
mutinies. Granted, some are racial or religious in nature, bhut if the people were healthy and well fed they would be happier, thus making them less
inclined to resort to drastic measures.
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reply posted on 20-6-2007 @ 08:20 AM by sb2012
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Well it may be, but people in debt and apathy are easier to control and they won't vote for a change since they are afraid for financial status and
they are just silent, bow their heads and hope for the best. Slave mentality.
If you want to fix Africa you need regime changes and less theocratic people. You have a lot of fundamental Christians there and Muslims, fighting
each other and poisoning people with bad ideas about life purpose and how to behave. People there are uneducated, hungry and they will believe anyone,
so they need to be protected. I also see Scientology brainwashing cult started few schools there, which is something dangerous too.
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reply posted on 20-6-2007 @ 01:04 PM by dbrandt
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Originally posted by defcon5
it has nothing whatsoever to do with prophecy 
You are missing out on alot of what the Bible has to say.
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reply posted on 21-6-2007 @ 08:50 AM by defcon5
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Originally posted by dbrandt
You are missing out on alot of what the Bible has to say. 
No I just don’t take it out of context to twist it around to fit a theory which was rejected by the very people who invented that theory.
Francisco Ribera form the Jesuit Order of the Catholic Church invented Futurism, yet the Catholic Church follows Preterism now as Futurism is
unscriptural…
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reply posted on 21-6-2007 @ 03:50 PM by dbrandt
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Originally posted by defcon5
Francisco Ribera form the Jesuit Order of the Catholic Church invented Futurism, yet the Catholic Church follows Preterism now as Futurism is
unscriptural…

The catholic church is very flawed and does not represent true christianity.
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reply posted on 21-6-2007 @ 03:50 PM by dbrandt
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Originally posted by defcon5
Francisco Ribera form the Jesuit Order of the Catholic Church invented Futurism, yet the Catholic Church follows Preterism now as Futurism is
unscriptural…

The catholic church is very flawed and does not represent true christianity.
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reply posted on 27-6-2007 @ 05:56 AM by defcon5
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Originally posted by dbrandt
The catholic church is very flawed and does not represent true christianity. 
Ok, then why do you follow a style of prophetic interpretation which comes form the Jesuit Order of the Roman Catholic Church?
Jesuit Futurism
On August 15, 1534, Ignatius Loyola founded a secret Catholic order called the Society of Jesus, also known as the Jesuits. "Jesuit priests have been
known throughout history as the most wicked political arm of the Roman Catholic Church. Edmond Paris, in his scholarly work, The Secret History of the
Jesuits, reveals and documents much of this information."3 At the Council of Trent, the Catholic Church gave the Jesuits the specific assignment of
destroying Protestantism and bringing people back to the Mother Church. This was to be done not only through the Inquisition and torture, but also
through theology.
At the Council of Trent, the Jesuits were commissioned by the Pope to develop a new interpretation of Scripture that would counteract the
Protestant application of the Bible's antichrist prophecies to the Roman Catholic Church. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591), a brilliant Jesuit priest and
doctor of theology from Spain, took on the challenge. Like Martin Luther, Ribera read the prophecies about the Antichrist, the little horn, the man of
sin, and the beast. But he came to different conclusions than Luther did. He decided that the prophecies applied, not to the Roman Catholic Church,
but to one diabolical figure at the end of time. This viewpoint quickly became the official Roman Catholic position on the Antichrist.
"In 1590, Ribera published a commentary on the Revelation as a counter-interpretation to the prevailing view among Protestants which identified
the Papacy with the Antichrist. Ribera applied all of Revelation but the earliest chapters, to the end of time rather than to the history of the
Church. Antichrist would be a single evil person who would be received by the Jews and would rebuild Jerusalem."4 "Ribera denied the Protestant
Scriptural Antichrist (see 2 Thessalonians 2) as seated in the church of God—asserted by Augustine, Jerome, Luther and many reformers. He set on an
infidel Antichrist, outside the church of God.”5 "The result of [Ribera's] work was a twisting and maligning of prophetic truth .”6
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reply posted on 10-11-2007 @ 11:38 PM by WitchChild
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The problem with most religions is that they all believe that there religion is the one and only true religion and the followers of the other
religions are wrong and are going to hell(I don't know the Muslim equivalent to hell or if they have one). If you look at it from that point of view
its not that wrong for the other religions to try and convert you. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not Christian, or Jew, or Muslim and I hate the way
religions proselytize (preach and convert), but if you think of it this way, that these religions think your wrong and are going to hell, well its
only human nature for them to try and save you from this.
 Wow listen to me I'm actually defending main stream religions, the same religions that would burn me at the stake if they had the chance, I must
be going crazy.
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reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 02:33 PM by Nostradamouse
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Why do you criticize us? To disagree with us if fine, but a "bigoted goat herders?" Is that really necessary?
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reply posted on 12-11-2007 @ 03:46 PM by madnessinmysoul
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illiterate goat herder... it's not talking about you, it's talking about the people that came up with the religion in the first place.
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reply posted on 13-11-2007 @ 05:26 AM by HIFIGUY
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Madnessinmysoul..do you see what I see?
The Christian Conspiracy against a United World thread..all over again.
after 150 pages in Conspiracy against religion, it ended, and rightfully so with the below statement:
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
and that's what this conspiracy (and the whole christian persecution complex) is, a massive fantasy. 
Except...Ill change it..using your format if you dont mind as I feel it applys here also.
and that's what this rumor / conspiracy ( and the whole Christain against a United World complex ) is, a massive fantasy.
Did someone think, for one second Christ was against a United World?
 Jesus Christ
The holy brotherhood of right must stand united in the stirring conflicts of the hour. 24 No matter whether they be Jews, Samaritans, Assyrians, or
Greeks, they must tramp down beneath their feet all strife, all discord, jealousy and hate, and demonstrate the brotherhood of man. 25 Then to the
ruler of the synagogue he spoke: he said, United in the cause of right we stand; divided we will fall
If I didnt know any better, Id swear Jesus was an American.
" We hold these Truths, that all people are created equal "
Peace
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reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 04:40 PM by Xangi
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Ah Religion... the bane of all existence...
Ok, To all you religious people out there.
Religion is simply a front used by primitive society to explain what they cannot currently comprehend. It SHOULD have been abandoned long ago after
the discovery of science but it wasn't. Now we have a rift in society. One half believes that some supernatural being will save their a**es after
they die and that anyone who believes something slightly different is wrong and is going to hell. They believe this even against all reason and
logical debate. There is not ONE shred of evidence to back their beliefs up. The other half believes that all answers can be discovered using science,
and have proved that many "miracles" are simply scientific obscurities. They have proven themselves more in the short life they have had then any
religion ever has, even in the long history of religions.
Now the short version
Religions are wrong- if you believe in them you are a gullible, primitive human being.
Science has the answers to anything and everything that you could possibly ask, or it will give you the answers when it can PROVE they are right,
instead of just telling you and saying "believe it because I say so".
That is my view on this, you can't change it so don't even try.
P.S. I am not going to hell because there is no hell.
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reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 05:22 PM by dionysius9
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The power elites love religious isolationism, because it gives them a good vehicle through which they can push a war agenda.
Wars are their biggest profit making tool.
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reply posted on 16-11-2007 @ 07:41 PM by HIFIGUY
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Originally posted by Xangi
Religion is simply a front used by primitive society to explain what they cannot currently comprehend. It SHOULD have been abandoned long ago after
the discovery of science 
What is science but the discovery and application to that which already was included in the divine construct.
Peace
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reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 05:13 AM by madnessinmysoul
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Originally posted by HIFIGUY
What is science but the discovery and application to that which already was included in the divine construct.

...it's the discovery and application of that which is normally contrary to the concepts held by those that claim a divine construct...
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reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 01:25 PM by HIFIGUY
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Duplicate
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reply posted on 17-11-2007 @ 01:25 PM by HIFIGUY
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
...it's the discovery and application of that which is normally contrary to the concepts held by those that claim a divine construct... 
There comes a point when a people are contrary just to be contrary.
When your respone generalizes science against those that claim a divine construct, you dispute yourself for science itself claims a Universal
assemblage.
A collection of the ethers of sorts is a Divine Construct. Celestial to use another word.
Divine, or of the Heavens. Heavens synonomous for Space and all that it ecompasses.
You, Madness are a heavenly construct. A child of the Universe. Asembled from stardust amongst a myriad of lifeforms on a mass of matter labeled
Earth.
Yes..Science observes and applies that which is already is.
Peace
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reply posted on 18-11-2007 @ 11:46 AM by madnessinmysoul
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ah, but the word divine is where we disagree. divine has a connotation of the non-physical, the metaphysical. the "unknowable" and, typically, just
plain made up
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reply posted on 18-11-2007 @ 09:46 PM by IAmTetsuo
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If the United Nations is any sort of model, I can understand why some people might be against a world government. I too have my doubts, not against
world gov't or NWO in principle, but in the sort of leftoid-infested bureaucracy that it might become. My own memories of the UN in the 1970s tell
me it was a forum for communists and corrupt hypocritical Third World People's Rajahs with all sorts of hateful anti-American bile (as opposed to
rational anti-Americanism ... there is a difference.)
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reply posted on 18-11-2007 @ 09:57 PM by IAmTetsuo
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Originally posted by stumason
Reason being, healthy, happy workers are more productive. If they are more productive, the rich benefit in one way or another. People will earn more,
consume more and the economy does well. Thus, the Elite do well. Makes no sense to bite off the hand that feeds them, so to speak. 
That assumes rational or at least mostly-rational elites.
You are also underestimating the amount of sadism and psychic vampirism in the world, and even the sort of well-intentioned ignorance at the root of
so many bad "for your own good" policies, rules, and regulations.
 Unhappy and/or unhealthy people are more likely to resent their lot and revolt. 
Not always. It depends more on their perception of how much they have to lose by revolting. It is possible for a population to be terribly unhappy
yet slavishly obedient at the same time if they fear something worse.
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