Marines don't have magical authority in the airport. If the tsa tells the airport that screening is required then thats what happens. welcome to the world of dhs..It is often irritating to airport administrations the lack of oversight and power limits that where never placed into the tsa.. so don't blame the airport. that authority wasn't in their hands. my friend bill recently spoke to me of coming back from Vietnam.. of getting off the bus and getting actual spit and raw eggs all over their uniforms by an entire mob.. those men kept their chins up and eyes straight. the comparison of treatment of bureaucracy vs a mob don't compare.. they went home lucky.

ps thanx for serving keep your chins up!

From what I remember about deployments, as long as you have orders stating you are carrying weapons, they are allowed inside the airport. TSA has no authority over official military activities.

Sounds to me like they wanted to prove a point. The really bad part is the precedent this sets for this kind of behavior.

First of all it was not 'Oakland' that was treating them this way. Instead it was a small cadre of psychotic leftist officials who run the airport no doubt. Second, the Oakland airport is a mess. Leftists couldn't manage their way out of a paper bag. I used to fly there all the time, but after waiting two hours just to get a rental car, I'd had enough. (This has happened to me twice at that airport) The bureaucrats there are totally incompetent.

Everyone is subject to the tsa... It is based in the badge system. federal badges such as FBI , secret service ect can pack heat in the cabin but they all get screened even air marshals although the air marshals can know of any others but not the reverse. the only on board entitled to know of air marshals is the captain. state level officials cops ect. can pack in the cabin if they bring special orders saying that its required. anyone can have weapons in checked baggage.. if it is packaged correctly and tagged by the airline. but the search procedures are the same for everyone... all those people still get screened blah blah blah. if they came in on a military aircraft.. then they would have to meet the same in terminal search as those previously listed. if in that event they were unable to prove the screening they came through..If it was a military plane..that is a possibility of many.

the glitch in this case is tsa jurisdiction. they always have it, very little oversight ask any airline employee.. if the tsa found or ...interpreted a glitch in their paperwork. than no one.. not a general or the airport authority can route them unless its their own superiors... which never happens. when the car bomb went off in Glasgow airport recently i had a conversation with the local airport director. he said that for the next three days(at that time) tsa agents around the country would be shadowing airport security.. to make sure that they did their jobs correctly. the director also pointed out that tsa has no training for this but theres no government regulation that says they cant.. he was very pissed off.. the Oakland director was probably in a similar situation.. everyone please just blame the politics not the locals..but thats just me

protecting freedom???...excuse me?
I wonder, if there were no soldiers, would there be wars?
I feel that really, soldiers are state-sanctioned murderers, they MAY feel like they are be altruistic, but really they are the bullyboys pushing an agenda on another sovereign nation.

I don't condone spitting on them, but which is worse: killing innocents (collateral damage...nice euphemism there), or being spat on.

And it seems they weren't spat on, just felt like they were. I guess the dead only feel like they're dead, but aren't really?

Pax Americana becomes pox americana

I am/was an active Marine, and WAS spit on and also called a "baby killer" when I got off the plane after going to boot camp back in 1979 ( in Grand Rapids, Michigan ) my Father and Mother, who where on the flight with me back from San Diego, FREAKED out.
I told the three people that where together that had spit on me and called me a baby killer that it was their right to express themselves as their conscious saw fit, because people like myself are willing to fight and die for that right......( I also had to restrain my mother from physically attacking them )

Having said that, I also hope that when the Big quake hits that area of Cali, the Marines render them no aid ( even though we Marines will) it would be Justified.

I find it funny how people will disrespect some others, until they need the help they can provide...........

It's also probably likely the person at Oakland that made that decision Voted for Bush........... (LMAO)

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i truly feel sorry for you. i will pray for you daily. i may have been a government sactioned murder but i did it for my country, my people and my freedom and i would assume that the military in your country feel the samd way. i dont expect you to thank your military i dont want you to either but when you lay your head down tonight in peace you should think about the goverment murders that made it possible for you..

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god bless your mother and you. and all of those out there that made the same sacrfices that we did. you are true heros. gods gift to this great nation. some people fail to see this. but i know that my old troop that is in jbad right now are there for a great cause. their blood has not been spiled in vain..

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That is just horrible. Whether you agree with the war or not, those soldiers still deserve the same respect you would give to ANY human being.
On a side note and to report something oppositional to the insane treatment those guys got... I know for a fact that if they had been at DFW Airport they would have received a heartwarming Texas reception. There's a group of folks in Dallas that greets soldiers coming home outside the security area with cheers and waving flags. I've seen it in person and even saw a few of them break down and get misty eyed at the unexpected "welcome home".

I was one of those soldiers in the bad old days of Vietnam. I felt the anger, vented in many ways towards us.

I was not exactly RA, as some of you old troops will understand the term, but I wasn't US either. Let's just say that I had a choice of two evils.

Still, I remember first hand how it was. All I can say is that in a land where there is freedom of expression, it will always happen. That is what freedom is about. If you went to war to be a hero, to be loved and adored, then you went for the wrong reason.

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This is not spitting on anyone. This is following regulation and procedure by the letter, and has nothing to do with spitting on anyone. You will have to excuse oakland if they dont extend special privledges to anyone, regardless of that which they claim to uphold.

Thank you, drive through.

-Knight

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i hope this wasent a responce to my last post. sorry if it wasent but what you said there is exactly my point. i just honor those of us that have and understant what it is and not what people tell us it is. i for one did not join for self glory but because i thought it was duty as an american..

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That's your take on the welcome our Marines received when they landed in Oakland last week.


This is mine:

It wasn't a rule or regulation, the TSA screening was the excuse the people at the airport used to dishonor these Marines.

How hard would it have been to call JFK about the flight, it's not like this planeload of Marines appeared like magic on OAK radar screens, I am sure this military chartered jet had a flight number which designated who the passengers were.

I have been on quite a few flights, and once you go through TSA screening you do not go through this screening at every stop on your way to your destination.

Neverminding the extreme inspection the Marines have to go through when leaving Iraq/Afghanistan, which BTW is much more detailed than a TSA screening process.

I will never believe the garbage excuse these people are giving and their attempt to scapegoat the TSA for this incident.

Ahmadinajed probably would have received the red carpet treatment had he travelled to the airport.





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I meant nothing bad toward you. I just spoke, as old soldiers sometimes do, with the mist of days gone by in my eye. We went with a mixture of dreams and hopes and fears and misgivings. We came home, those that did, with only hurt and pride.

Pride, not because what we had done was right, but because it was the right way to be an American. Because to do less was to dishonor our fathers. Because right or wrong, this was our nation.

I am sesitive enough to the human spirit to think that there were many honorable German soldiers that fought in WWII feeling the same way. We held honor above our personal feelings. True soldiers always do.

It is not an easy thing, to think that something is wrong, and still do what is asked of you. It must be so much harder to die and know these things, to know that your last breath was for an ideal you have yet to see. And yet, our nation, our chance for our children to become better people, relies on those willing to do what they would rather not.

Was Vietnam worth it? is Iraq? I really dont know. But in the end, it's not about which war is just, for there is no such thing as a just war. The real basic idea is "do I love my home, and all the things that I grew up trusting and wanting and believing; and do I want that to have a chance to become all the things I hope for."

A soldier doesn't fight for today, he fights for tomorrow. He fights for what he hopes will be. It is not a matter of ideology, but a matter of futures. I fought that I could have an America I could change into a better place.

When you're face down in the mud, when you're so scared that you can't be sure if it's the rain or you really pissed your pants, it starts to get a little bit more clear. And after the hundreth time, you understand. I'm fighting to come back and make sure that my brother never has to know this hell.

Naturally, it doesn't work out that way. You're only a small cog in a very big wheel, and when you get back, your voice is lost in the general racket. But as you grow old you understand that changing the world was not the real point. The real point of all those things you thought about in some far off jungle was about changing you.

Because the world changes as you, me all of us, change.

God, however you see God, be with those who struggle far from home.

The airport issued a press release on the incident:

www.oaklandairport.com...

Seriously though, I don't know what all the whining is about. There are lots of recent examples of full planeloads of people being forced to sit on the tarmac for hours on end. Even overnight. So why should it be different for servicemen? Back when I joined a fightin' corps, the first thing I learned is that you get # on all the time.

If there is a silver lining to this thing, it is that our heroic 'leaders' all travel on luxurious private aircraft and don't have to go through the harassment they have planned for the rest of us.

This is BS and you have no idea how fast this spread around the Corps.. you will most likely be hearing alot more about all this and other incidents.

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please don't pray for me, it's a waste of time to just make you feel like you are helping.

god is a figment of our imaginations and is a fabrication to keep the power elite in their position..."i have a secret and i have power"...

Soldiers ARE murderers, plain and simple, it's just that it is state-sanctioned and it makes me sick.

I was in the military, do you know how many times we ended up standing around for hours in weird places? More than I can count. Why is this being made into such a bru haha? Thread title should read soldiers have to stand around at airport.

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its fine i just didnt know if you had misread but i must have. i took the whole hero love and adored thing out of context sorry for that. because that is far from why i joined and im sure that is true for you as well. all the love and respect to my fellow freedom fighters. we are all brothers in that respect.

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call us what you will but we "murdered" those people for you. yes for you and i will pray for you just like i fought for you. with or without your consent. i really disagree with your post but i sacrificed myself so you can sit there and say those things so to try and stop you goes aginst everything i believe in. that is the only crime i am guilty of.. but thanks for your support..