I will probably be flamed for this topic, but I need to ask anyway: why in hell do we have to respect, cheer, and cry for the lowest level of human beings on earth? You cry for nothing more and nothing less than a simple baby killer or a rapist. During history before the Media propaganda soldiers were basically recruited with force and where considered the lowest level of human beings. Nowadays they volunteer to defend imaginary borders that some stupid people created without real reason except to divide…

When a human being accepts blindly orders from someone that is exactly the same as he is, I can safely say he is simply stupid, why should I feel pity for him?

you only need to know that soldiers fought and died so that you can express the opinion that you just did. as a veteran i will only say "your welcome". feel free to express yourself any way you like

like any other human being if a soldier is doing something honerable or worthy of respect he should be respected, if not they shouldnt.

but if they arnt, i dont want to hear any just following orders, bull honkey...

I say, don't give respect to anyone unless it is deserved. I have massive respect for WWII, Korea, and Kosovo veterans, but I have yet to see anything that qualifies Iraq War veterans for the apotheotic treatment some of them have recieved.

Because if they did not join, you would not be enjoying the freedom of expressing your opinion as you just did.

You show me one "corrupt" soldier.. I will show you 100 other men and women, that are ordianary folks just doing the job they are good at.

To put such a large group under such a generalization of "stupidity" is moronic.

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I'm sorry, but the vast majority of troops these days have absolutely nothing to do with protecting America. You could cut the Armed Forces down to just nukes and still be able to repel any threat of invasion to this country.


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I shouldn't argue with your statement since it proves you have never been in the military, but..

Yeah, we should cut out the human element and just use bombs. Grand idea. There will always be a need for soldiers, been that way since the beginning.. will be that way when you and I are dust.

There are more soldiers that have NEVER fired a shot in battle than that have. I guess that makes them murderers by association?



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We have seen some despicable acts stem from Iraq since America has entered. From videos, pictures, etc., a lot of negative press has been shed on the American soldiers. I won't even get into the details of it, but I'm sure you all know what I speak of.

But taking the despicable behaviours of a select population of soldiers, and generalizing that onto everyone, it's an unjustified assumption on plenty of good, decent, men and women that are fighting for your country.

Don't let the actions of a few spoil it for the rest. There are some good people over there, whom deserve our respect.

Well I remind you that during WW2 who started the war were soldiers.
When you join you know that one day you might become a murderer or a killer, what is the difference?

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That sounds nice. Have you got a substantive argument to back up your assertion that we need more than strategic nukes?

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I never said that Iraq War veterans did not deserve respect, only that none of them deserve the demigod status that some have afforded them.

I'm sure you understand that is your opinion, and nothing more. Opinions are not facts. You can elaborately explain why these individuals do not, while umpteen others can elaborately explain why they do.

Neither deserve to be faulted. Not implying that you are applying fault here, but I do sense a bit of resent towards those that may offer this status you speak of.

i really shouldnt get into this but... i live by the creed that if you want respect first you have to give it and if someone thinks that i OWE them my respect then theyre propably not gonna get it i APPRECIATE people fighting for my rights but i could defend those on my own it doesnt matter whos holding the gun bullets kill people imean i also agree with if we just had nukes and some other missiles we could repel a invasion because soldier or not if an enemy force makes it to america there not gunna be here long. and dont get me wrong i dont hate soldiers in fact im friends with alot of people that are in the armed forces but i dont like some of them because they walk around with an air of arrogance thinking that theyre owed something alot of people have done great things for this nation but ive yet to see a soldier commander anyone disobey the elected "officials" because the people dont want a war once i see that happenn ill personally get a loan to buy every armed service member a beer and a thank you card...just what was on my mind

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I'm just saying, is such hero worship wise, especially when it is strewn far and wide to our soldiers, without regard to what it was they actually did?

OP, I've seen your type before. Too scared to fight, and the only way you can justify it is by calling names of those with the courage to do what you cannot.

I never approved of the war I was in, I protested it before and after I was there. But I loved my country enough to know that it was my duty.

Go pinch your pimples and be glad that there are people with honor to keep your attitude safe.

You should respect them because they're human beings just like you with their own thoughts, feelings, and reasons for doing what they do.

Alot of soldiers genuinely believe in the cause they fight in. We should'nt disrespect them because of that.

So disagree with the cause (that's your right) but don't disrespect the soldier please.

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You need to respect soldiers as well as everyone else. A soldier bleeds the same way you do. Has feelings the same you do. Has a family the same way you do. Cry’s the same you do.

Soldier’s did not necessarily go into the military to go off to war and kill someone. For the most part they went in for a living. A place to eat, sleep, make life long friends, have a paycheck.

Now I know it becomes extremely sad when the government calls our men and sadly our women into action, but by then it’s too late to say, “Oh, no I don’t want to go to war.” Then they’ll go to prison. It’s a terrible choice at that point.

However, just because they are in uniform should not make you hate them. Like another poster said, our men have fought for our freedom’s.

What is sad and messed up is when the commander in chief who is the leader of our men, call our men into action in another country that has nothing to do with us, or no threat to us. It could be their own civil war and we go and get involved.

That is where it’s messed up at. That’s who people like you should be mad at. Not the one’s who isn’t making the choice. But, the leaders that made our men go.

True at this point it is voluntary men. However, when the draft comes (I believe there will be one day) it is still not the men’s fault. Again, you serve or go to prison. According to our man made laws. So the men are the pawns who are serving the king (president).


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Wow, that was a snotty and poorly reasoned response. Here in America, we are free men and women. We owe no "duty" to fight and die, especially not in the name of tyranny and greed.

Without regard for what it was they actually did.

I find that choice of words to be quite interesting. They risked their lives. They've shipped themselves across the world, away from anything they would consider a friend or family. Sent to a foreign nation with other individuals in the same position, trying to remember what it was they were fighting for.

What of those that have been there that long, that they may be actually forgetting what it is they are fighting for?

Is the blood of another individual on their fingers? Odds are, yes. Is this unfortunate? Yes. Does the end justify the means? I believe so.

I am anti-war. I do not believe in it, and I think that there is always an alternative. However, in the time of war, I support our men and women that are out there doing the dirty deeds of our corrupt politicians. The people who put their name on the bottom of a piece of paper, that is going to send our sons, daughters, husbands, wives, brothers, and sisters, to possible death.

Yeah, I respect their efforts.

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Words nearly fail me...so, you're saying, in effect, that Mafia hitmen are to be respected, even if the boss is not?