Why do we need to respect soldiers? I don't get it.

or aren't stupid enough to do.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by NeilDown]

I was going to comment but I think I'll keep to the high ground and stay out of the gutter.

Moderators, how exactly is this a Conspiracy Topic? Is hatred of other people a Conspiracy or a Personality Flaw? Don't you normally move these to more appropriate categories? Kind of lowers the general quality of ATS. Not to mention this thread is nothing but Troll Bait in the first place.

A true honorable soldier is someone who puts their sense of morality and ethics before their sense of patriotism. Soldiers who put their sense of patriotism first and foremost are nothing more than subservient sheep. These are the soldiers that commit atrocities and are extremely dangerous to everyone around them. They always follow orders, regardless, even if what they are about to do is immoral or unethical, they just do it anyway, without even thinking.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for the honorable Allied soldiers that fought during world war 2 but I do find some of the posts hypocritical or atleast unclear in what it is there really trying to say.



So all soldiers who believe in their cause should be respected. There following orders, regardless of what they do. So that makes it ok then. Does this also apply to the Nazi soldiers who slaughtered millions of jews and killed enemy prisioners of war in cold blood. There also plenty of atrocities I can mention that were carried out by Allied soldiers as well. What about Iranian republican guard or even Al-Queda. They believe in their cause and are just following orders from further up the chain of command.

Well I disagree and have absolutely no respect for these humans, if you can even call them that. Everyone has a choice, but not everyone has a sense of morality if history and recent events are anything to go by.

Without those soldiers there would be no US of A, as well there would be no boundaries and no countries; it would be a free world all over.
Why would you want to divide what it was never yours to begin with?
As usual we come down to the patriotism that some of you folks have been inoculated a long time ago. It is a generic post that is not meant against the US.
You defend the freedom that you took away. How can you do both things?
The rhetoric is more in a stupid piece of textile that you call flag. How can you give liberty with war? It just does not make any sense.

Where there are no fighters; there is no war to be faught.

Why must soldiers be respected?: Propoganda and mind control to keep the conquering of Earth and its resources under the powers that be. To control you. To allow murder and rape to be okay for secret agendas and meanwhile they have you cheering for it, because you're too stupid to see the alternative; they have your mind where they want it. And then of course we fight because we think we are really Americans and Africans, Europeans and Iraqis, so we must stand up for our mighty piece of conquered land! Listen to some thing wise; Earthlings would have not even nothing to planetarily war about, beyond that we are existential entities sharing an illusional reality with the unwhole of the eternal.

You don´t have to respect soldiers. They do what they are told to do and have NO choice if they are sent to war, they signed up for whatever reason.

But to keep a cool head in dangerous situations, do brave things when the easy solution is also available, that should be respected imo.

Those who beat up and kill civilians don´t deserve respect whatsoever.

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There is a differance when evaluating an action and the person that does that action.

A person may try and do good and do evil.
A person may try and do evil, or just not care and do evil.

The first is a misguided good person, you can't blame the person, just the information set he has, unless it is excepted he should have figured it out, but that is subjective.

The second is a bad person doing bad.

If you accept that the first person did not have the maturity, experience and knowledge to know he was doing evil, then he should be respected for his attempt, and despise his actions.

The guy attacking the windmills, hey got to respect him, but he needed glasses.

It should be strongly noted ignorance is rarely an excuse for societal retribution, so I do not excuse the guy of some responsibility, but I do except there can be mitigating circumstances.

[edit on 3-10-2007 by Redge777]

How many of you have been to Iraq and see what those soldiers do on a daily basis. The kids over there love them. They give out candy and play soccer with them. How in the hell could you possibly know whats going on over there from the safety and security from behind you computers? Oh thats right, the t.v. and the internet told you that they are all rapists and baby killers. There are some bad people in the military that slipped through the cracks but bad people are everywhere not just in the military. As a vet myself I am disgusted by a very boneheads that are the true sheep that are gulible to believe in such nonsense. If I get in trouble for this post then fine but I will not stand by and let my brothers and sisters be bashed from some punk hiding behind his moniter.

Wow, that's really big of them.

"Hey kids America bombed your country back to the stone ages after the immoral leaders of America lied to the world about why America did it, but hey America has some sweets for you"



[edit on 3-10-2007 by NeilDown]

Wow, out of everything I stated above you pull out the giving candy to children and spin it. I applaud you.

It's understandable to hate the ones who gave these soldiers their orders...I hate them beyond words. But the soldiers themselves were kinda dragged over there before they knew what was really going to happen and are now making the best of a F'd up situation. Don't hate the messengers, hate the ones who gave them the messages...or bullets in this case

I didn't spin it I put it into context.

And if giving children sweets after bombing the hell out of their country and murdering thousands of civilians is the best America can do to repay Iraq it is quite obvious the world will be a better place without America.

Prior Military here and damn proud of my service, I salute all my fellow military brothers here.

WOW the kids of today just dont get it do they.

The trouble with some of the statements here is that those who now serve do it voluntarily. And everyone who signs up knows that there is the chance to go to war. This being said if one is against war and from some of the posts ive read here are against establishments and discipline then for sure the military is not for you and I would not feel safe with you in the military. And as far as civil disobedience for the sake of being disobedient is a crap statement. Yes civil disobedience is a good form of protest but not if you raised your hand and said yes I will defend this country. Seems to me while I was in the military there were a lot of so called soldiers who only wanted to get the pay check but not do the duty. Lowest form of crap on earth IMO of course. They would be the ones who while standing a post would give up and run like pansies when the fighting starts.

With respect to respect. Respect the soldier because he has the guts and gives his life up to defend YOUR rights. I thing the statement Jack Nicholson used in a few good men lends to this discussion. I have changed some words to go with this discussion.

This is for all those who love to live it but wont fight for it.




I hope you all sleep well tonight, and please pray for those soldiers who didnt come home. At least you did right ?

We used to need the military to protect us. now, the military is pretty much useless. we don't need one anymore. when will Americans realize this? We have to bring those troops home and do the following.


1. put them to work in factories. to work. actual work, maybe open up 30 FORD manufacturing plants and put the soldiers to work. make good use of them.

2. Dissolve the military. Stop all Iraq involvement.

3. Arm the people. If there ever is a war, then we would all arm ourselves and go fight.


Done.

And pray tell who ensured that we are free men and women? So if someone, a total stranger, manages to save your family from being killed, you owe them nothing? People in the Military deserve respect for the service they are willing to give for others and those not willing or able to do the same.

This is such a loaded topic.



You don't have to respect anyone if you don't want to. I have respect for soldiers but I don't fall prey to the soldier worship syndrome that traps up the Bill O'Reilley's of the world. IF we were fighting a war whose outcome would determine our freedom then I would have a whole lot more respect. However, when people come on here and say "they are protecting your freedoms, they fight for your freedom" I gag a little. No they don't. Iraq is not a threat to us. Never was. The only country that could possibly pose a threat to us is Russia and you will never see the soldiers fighting a country that actually threatens our freedoms. The only threat to freedom is the grinning thieves in Congress and in the white house. Now if the soldiers fought a war against them then I would join the rest of America and throw myself and grovel at their feet as the status quo would like me to do.

I second that, this is no conspiracy, it is pure opinion, it should be moved to the appropriate sections of the Above Network.

You have to be kidding me. You outright state that you want to kill someone?
I have no problem with your opinion of 'hating all military', however WANTING to kill someone because they wear a uniform is WAY over the top. I would hope that you keep a more level head when posting in the future.


[edit on 3-10-2007 by lombozo]

If you can read this... thank a Teacher...

If you are reading it in English... thank a Soldier..

simple phrase that runs deep..