Originally posted by jjohns
Originally posted by grover
Ya know I am really appalled that you people can sit there and justify spewing hate as if its alright.
You throughly disgust me.
You know damned good and well what a hate crime is and you refuse to condemn it not because of the first amendment... you refuse to condemn it because
so many on the right use it so often.
Ann Coulter, Micheal Savage and so many right wing blah blah blahs spew their poison every which way and its alright with you.
BUT... if one of us on the left calls you on it... all of a sudden you don't know what it is or write it off to "humor".
Disgusting. Throughly disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I think your post is an example of hate speech, Grover. I would watch it if I were you. It fits your own definition perfectly.
Here is the difference between us, Grover. Yes, it is alright with me for Coulter and Savage to say whatever they want. It is also ok with me for
Sharpton, Jackson, Farrakahn and others to say whatever they want.
With you, it is NOT ok for Savage and Coulter to say what they want, but if the person spewing the hate is a liberal democrat like yourself, well that
is a different story.
Want to stop hate speech? Sign up at MoveOn.org and start with them.
And as an aside, once again it is not surprising that you offer not rational, logical, or persuasive argument for your position. Instead you get
into the insults, attacking people instead of discussing the topic -just like I predicted you would.
You see liberals like you are so predictable. I think the foundation is this sense of entitlement that everything should be the way you want it, and
everybody should act the way YOU decide they should.
When something does not go your way, you rant and rave like a spoiled child.
Why not try to put forth a rational argument of how the Constitutional guarantee of free speech should be amended. Or why laws against Hate Speech
should be allowed in spite of the 1st Amendment.
We all will be waiting, but not holding our breath, for your logical, well-reasoned argument.

You really have proved my point. Thank you.
I don't approve of any hate speech from the left or the right. At the same time I am not about to call for the silencing of anyone either, nor have
I.
To say what I said is hate speech totally misconstrues what I wrote, which was to express my personal disgust at the whole matter as is my right. As
is your right.
Nowhere in any of my posts or threads have I urged people, publicly, or privately to hate anyone else, conservative or liberal, black or white or
tired to incite anyone to violence.
Go to the thread about Al Gore winning the Nobel or the one about Jimmy Carter and read what some of you on the right have written about them. Or for
that matter what you people have said and written about the Clinton's. Yet if one of us on the left write anything derogatory about bush minor, its
hate speech and an example of liberal hypocrites.
Like I have said before and I will say it again... you know good and well what hate speech is.
Need I define it for you again? It is the PUBLIC slandering or the inciting to violence towards another segment of the population.
For me to say PRIVATELY that all conservatives are asses would be expressing my opinion.... One by the way I do not hold. For me to say PUBLICLY that
all conservatives are asses and should all be shot or rounded up and placed in internment camps as Ann Coulter did (about liberals), is loathsome.
For me to say PRIVATELY that all blacks are idiots would be expressing my opinion (which it is not). For me to say PUBLICLY that all blacks are idiots
and should be fixed before they breed any more is also loathsome.
To say either PUBLICLY and then to urge others to actually carry it out is hate speech.
I am not ranting and raving about it; I am calling you on it.
If I read you correctly; it would be perfectly acceptable in your opinion to do that; to PUBLICLY incite people to hate others or to urge them to acts
of violence.
All societies have their bounds and limits and to PUBLICLY incite hatred or violence towards ANY segment of society by another is generally considered
unacceptable.
Thats what the NAZIS did. Thats what the KKK does. Thats what the John Birch Society does.
That is NOT what civilized people do.
As for Move On... I couldn't give a rats ass about them or any political action group. I don't support or pay any attention to any of them. I don't
need them to tell me what to think.
[edit on 13-10-2007 by grover]