Ron Paul is now Officially Top-Tier

Romney, McCain, Tancredo, Huckabee, Hunter & Brownback are all officially sunk. Thompson is only a $Million ahead of Paul, and his campaign is nationally recognized as floundering. Giuliani is a anti-2nd Amendment pro-choice cross-dressing Liberal who hasn't even won ONE SINGLE Straw Poll and doesn't even have ONE SINGLE Meetup.com activist group.

YouTube Link

ronpaul2008.typepad.com...

Latest Q3 $ Figures:
query.nictusa.com...

More Top Tier:

Now compare these other benchmarks:

->Ron Paul has 1021 Meetup.com activism groups, which grows every single day. Rudy has ZERO. The rest of all other candidates COMBINED is about 280. Join your local Meetup.com activism group to get free lawn signs, bumpers stickers and so on for spreading the word.

->Compare the ups/downs percentages for the other top-tier:
Ron Paul's 114 percent increase is in stark contrast to the decrease suffered by Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain. Romney's fundraising was down 29 percent. Giuliani was down 40 percent. McCain was down 55 percent. Their downward percentage points equal Paul's upward points.
freemarketnews.com...

->He has won with 1st place in 17 of 36 total Straw Polls, and even placed 2nd in 6 Straw Polls. He's the clear leader in Straw Polls, while even gaining momentum by winning 7 of the last 8. Straw Pools are real life delegates representing the party.
www.ronpaul2008.com...

->Vegas Gambling Odds: Ron Paul entered the election with 200-1 odds. During the summer his odds dropped to 16-1, and then to 8-1 within weeks. The odds are now at 6-1, above the multi-millionaire Mitt Romney. Gambling911.com, who has been following the 2008 Presidential Election, and the Ron Paul phenomenon closely all-year, predicts that he'll soon reach 4-1 odds.
www.gambling911.com...
In another article, they predict that Paul is the only GOP candidate who can beat Hillary in a great analysis:

->49.5% of Q3 military donations to GOP candidates went to Ron Paul.
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->Web stats:


->These same trends can be found at places like Youtube.com, where Ron Paul clearly dominates the playing field by leaps and bounds.

->Ron has won 5 of 6 TV Debate aftermath polls. The most recent was removed as Ron was dominating the results in a clear landslide, which prompted CNBC to remove the poll. The funny thing is the other "top tier" candiates don't have hoards of people out doing the same, and many of Paul's Straw Poll victories are similar landslides.

Lets take this so-called democratic Republic for a test drive!

[edit on 18-10-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

Forgive my humble opinion here, but this says more about the less than stellar calibre of the GOP candidates than it does Mr. Paul. To say it's a rather pitiful bunch would be to understate it more than slightly.

This shows nothing about Paul being a top tier candidate.

What this actually shows is that Ron Paul is simply the "hip choice" this year. Paul doesn't pull these kinds of numbers in any real poll, only in these internet polls done on random political blogs. Paul only gets 1000 groups supporting him because the only people who are making groups are the myspace crowd who hand out online. His only solid backing is in the internet community of hipsters and college students who think he's the "cool" choice for president.

Most of them have no idea what his political stances or opinions are, they just know they saw his name on a cool flyer on campus and want to be part of the group.

We'll see how much this so-called support matters when the primaries start.

reply to post by nyk537

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To quote Ron Paul,


People are waking up, and realising what Dr. Paul stands for. He is a man of integrety, and they can clearly see what the man is saying, and he doesn't beat around the bush, trying to confuse voters by adding extra words, or sounding like he knows more then you, he tells them how it is, and why he belives what he is beliveing in.

And quit saying that Dr. Paul is not winning any 'Real' polls, are you saying Straw polls don't count? You are unwittingly helping out those that want to see Paul out of this race.

He is still a long shot for the nomination, there are a coouple months before the primaries, and Dr. Paul is only gaining more strength, we will see when Dr. Paul wins New Hamphere or Iowa, what will the Nay-sayers say then?

Ron Paul has 1000's of gruops at meetup because people are getting motavated to do something. They want to get the message of freedom out. Thats why people are making meet up groups for Ron Paul, and why other canidates have only a small fraction of his numbers(or in the case of rudy, none!)

People are tired of only having a choice between a Turd Sandwhich, and a Giant Dusche, they want to have a president that the founding fathers would be proud of. Not another corprate shril.

Make no mistake about it though, Paul still has a long way to go, the majority of the people still don't know who he is, so get out there and spread the word, because the media won't.

Alright. I'll ask you this and maybe get an intellectual and politically based response; because I've never gotten one from a Paul supporter.

What makes Ron Paul so special? What makes him a man that the founding fathers would be proud of?

Just because he doesn't "beat around the bush" and he isn't a "turd sandwich" as you so eloquently put it, doesn't make him fit to run this country.

So answer me those questions.

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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I don't understand what any of that proves, scientifically speaking. National polls still don't list him with more than 2-3%.

Very true. However, that's not what the mindless Paul supporters would have you believe. According to them he has a HUGE following, but the evil main stream media just won't admit it.

His stances on pretty much all of the issues line up with mine, and mine predate knowledge of his existence and campaign.

He's much more for smaller and more limited government, more for individual freedom. I see a lot of big-government people in the government (bureaucracy expanding to meet the growing needs of the expanding bureaucracy?), and a terrible few that sincerely work to follow our Constitution and to protect the liberties of the individual.

I think you trust corporate media and polls, so might I ask, when has a corporation done things not in its own interest. Would not it be in the interest of the stock holders of the corporate media to elect a person that would continue corporate friendly policies?

Why would a corporate controlled media even attempt to be accurate, if it went against there profit motive?

Here we go, hope this does it for you, short and sweet,

What makes Ron Paul so special is that he is a Throwback. A constutionalist, someone who understands the role of goverment, and follows the rules of the goverment, that of are which is the Consitution. Dr. Paul does not vote for anything that is not explixtly expressed in the Consitution.

That last line is why the founding fathers would be proud. The Founding fathers designed the constution to limit the power of goverment, and set the guidlines for which the goverment is to rule, and what are the rights of the people. The founding fathers knew that a central goverment would have HUGE power, so they needed to lay the gounds for the rules of which goverment was to rule by.

Over the last hundred years or so, the American goverment has strayed from these basic principals in which this country was founded. And that is why Ron Paul is so special, unlike the other canidates, who seek power for thier own personal gains, and fincaial gains of thier buddies.

Hope that is short enough for you... and i will expand on any topic that you see fit.

Real poll? Let me guess, you think landline biased polls done by crooked pollsters are relevant and real? Alot of those polls have him as 'other', but hey, I'm sure you just over looked that. Those landline polls are hardly accurate, why is it Ron Paul does so well in everything else BUT these landline polls? Why is it he dominates Straw Polls and gets REAL physical votes on the ground? For example one gallop poll polled only 300 people when he got almost 4x that amount in the Iowa straw poll, and campaigned therefor less than a week. He is also locking up the military donations from retired vets and active duty, so I guess your little ' only college kids ' theory is a little off.

If the primaries are anything like the Straw Polls Ron paul will easily be the GOP nom. His fundraising had a 114% increase since last quarter, it's real easy for his detractors to ignore all this available information about the guys growing support. I also addressed you in another Ron Paul thread awhile back NYK but you never responded, what's your problem with the man? You come off as not so much a big fan.

Pauls support is for real. Thanks for the layout IIB.


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proof?proof?
The relevance of that?
blatant falsehoodbiased samplesapples and oranges; you can't be seriousevidence?they aren'tproof?

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[edit on 10/20/2007 by Togetic]

You were saying?



1. He's the only one willing to stand up to the Establishment via the privately owned Federal Reserve. He's going straight for their jugular. He's probably one of the few even competent enough to understand it, besides those who are deep-Establishment-corrupt or are whipping boys.

That's one example.

2. He's a Constitutionalist. Again, he's one of the few who even understand the Constitution. The latter part of my answer to #1 applies here. Shall I go on?

Feel free to offer an alternative...



Which part? I listed several things, and there's several ways to boil it. The video shows how Only Paul, Thompson & Giuliani are even financially competent. Even McCain and R0mney are desperately grasping at straws and are cases closed with negative momentum.

"Scientifically"... The only things showing Giuliani winning are corporate polls, and money. The so called leader 'by leaps and bounds' hasn't won even a single national Straw Poll. Those are the delagates, the real kneejerkers. When the kneejerkers are smacking him down while handing Ron Paul landslide victories mirroring the TV Debate polls you know somebody is in trouble. Oh, and money, all corporate / special interest group money. The evidence? Not one single meetup activist group. No REAL people showing any kind of REAL support. Instead its just people parroting what the news said, like "Giuliani is the leader", etc. Remember that only 5 mega-conglomerates control 95% of all national Media.



Mindless? It's people like who who knee-jerk buy into things like the Left/Right Paradigm, and whatever Establishment puppets the Media cheerleads and parades around as if people really love them. Or the millions who support Hillary just because she's a woman, Obama because he's black. Giuliani because he was the 'hero' who ran around the streets on 9/11 and he's etched into our brains as the father figure 'leader'. You wanna see about mindless, I suspect that YOU only need to look in the mirror.

Lol, you ask me whats the relevance of him being optioned as 'other' and then proceed to call my opinion on the landline polls not being an accurate measurement of his support a 'blatant falsehood'? Not so bright are we? You can research all the information for yourself, do a google search on his quarter 3 fundraising numbers and how he had increased fundraising while everyone else was on the decrease, it's not complicated. The fact that the pollsters have him as the 'other' option simply because of the results of their own crooked polls is why I state they are biased and not accurate. Instead of just naming all of the candidates they have to mold the poll to their own agenda. I'm kinda dumbfounded on why people seem to wanna disregard straw polls, rallies & fundraising and seem to only wanna focus on narrow pollsters. Physical support is much more relevant.





ok? So you're telling me the CLC straw poll, where Romney appeared in person, was a biased sample of Ron Pauls support? Get real pal you need a hit of reality.




Are you living under a rock? Do a google search on " Ron Paul military donations ". It was a pretty big story after quarter 3 was all said and done, FOX news even brought it up when they recently interviewed him on fox and friends.




Oh yah i'm serious. Landline polls don't show Ron Pauls actual support. I'm very aware straw polls are different from primaries. My only point is that Ron Paul has actual physcial support thats willing to show up in person to vote for him. Are you suggesting that people show up in mass to vote in the primaries? only the dedicated people show up for primaries, so far it looks like Ron Paul has the biggest grassroots machine going into the primary season which you seem to wanna ignore. These landline polls are suggesting he has minimal support which is bogus.

have a nice day.



[edit on 20-10-2007 by ape]

Many people will write off Paul, before then know a simple think about him. I did. That was before i lloked into what he belived in, and what this country stands for.

It would be extremly hard to prove that the people that conduct the polls are crooked gangsters, so lets not focus on that.

Other things that some on here are having trouble exepting, are just pain fact that has been pointed out on this site many times, and even in the National News it is pointed out, the quickly burried by a story of how much A$$ you can see hanging out of the bottem of her shorts....

Landline polls are not a good mesure of suport, this is clear when you have examined history, beofre the age of technlogy, newspapers called elections after conducting a Landline poll, and after they got it wroung a few times, they stopped.

Also, Landline is a dying thing, people don't need a land line, i been living on my own for a couple years, and have never gotten a Landline, and never plan on it either... in fact, most people today that are moving out of thier parents find no need for a LandLine, all you need is your Cell Phone. Thats just the way it is, and i would venture to say the the people that have a LandLine, percentage wise, don't have the access to the internt when compared to those that don't. So to say an internt poll is biased, and Landlines are not... sorry, that just doesn't fly anymore.

I find it facsinating that many people will gladly vote for sHillary or Rudy, without knowing a single stance on the issuies, but then dismiss Dr. Paul because they don't know where he stands on the issuies. And Dr. Paul is very clear on the isuies, while most of the other canidates, just beat around the bush, making sure they reveal the smallest they can, on where they stand.

So, wake up, and if you don't do so now, you only have several more months of peaceful slumber.