Mr Zapatero said: "[Former Prime Minister] Aznar was democratically elected by the Spanish people and was a legitimate representative of the Spanish
people."
Mr Chavez repeatedly tried to interrupt, despite his microphone being turned off. The king leaned forward and said: "Why don't you shut up?"
source
Well it looks like they had real family feud.
Telling someone to shut up is my kind of diplomacy.
Gee I wonder what tantrums will be thrown over the paper mill. I sure am looking forward to following events out of South America.
On a serious note these guys make Bush look good at diplomacy.
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Yea, i laughed hard when i saw this story. Im glad someone told that Castro-Wannabe to SHUT UP!!!
OK, I admit it, i have a famialy history grudge against him.
But seriously, i doubt there is a more power hunger poloticain at the head of the state in any country in the world.
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reply to post by TKainZero
really?
i see chavez as someone who isn't power hungry but merely an idealist with an egocentric view of how change can be obtained for his nation.
he's just a bit of a prick, a prick with good intentions.
and honestly, the US press blows crap out of proportion with him. they made a fuss when riot police dispersed an anti-chavez demonstration... but the
only reason it was dispersed was because they tried to storm the legislature...
i wonder how they'd paint american protesters that tried to force their way into a session of congress...
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This Spanish King sounds like the master of shut up, Bill O'Reilly.
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Haha!
I saw this on TV tonight and must say fair play to the King of Spain, well done that man!
Chavez was accusing the former prime minister of spain of being a fascist and the current prime minister was arguing that he was a democratically
elected official.
Chavez kept on going on, although he had lost the argument, then the king stepped in and told him to shut up!
Apparently, he used the familiar term of language or something too, which is what they do when they chastise children
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I think i have a view that no one else on ATS has about Castro err... Chavez, being i was living in Venezuela when he came to power, and it was an
intresting time. In a quick story.
I was in 5-7th grade when i lived in Ven. My dad worked for a major Global oil company, and as a side project (not part of his job
description/responsiblitiy/ getting paid to do) he restored the site of the oil dirlling with planets and wildlife, a huge area surrounded by desolate
oil fields, my father converted a few acres into a wildlife reserve.
On a weekend, we went out to the fields, just my dad and the four of us kids, and we were heloing with plants, laying down waterin hoses, planting
tress, that kinda thing, when my dad got a phone call. He freaked, he said we had to leave, and he would not tell us why. We were about an hour away
from the City (Maraciabo) and as we left the oil reserve there was a line of Tanks, trucks full of soilders with BIG guns, and other soilders
walking. (I say BIG guns because every store there had at least one armed guard with a shotgun, and my school had 5, and a 20 foot barbed wire fence
around it).
After passing soilders for about 15 mins, the car became a little less tense, and my dad finnaly started to tell me what was going on. I am not afraid
to tell you this was one of the scariest moments of my life. The phone call that my dad recived was from a co-worker who was a Venezlano but was good
friends with my dad. He had gotten the call to be warned of a coup attempt if Chavez were to not win the election. This is were i learned this dirty
little word.
Needless to say, we went to the store and bought massive amounts of water/food just in case, the election was a few days away. The day before the
election there was an obvious military presence on the streets of the city, we were living on the 23rd floor and could see all kinds of tanks and
military trucks in the streets. It was a tense few days, but after Chavez won the election, things went back to normal, the military disapeared, and
life went back to normal, for a little while.
Not to long after that, mabye by the time summer rolled around, we moved away, not because we wanted to, but because Chavez decided that all the oil
fields no longer belonged to the comanpies that were drilling on them, but instead the oil fields belonged to the people of Venezuela, or more
apropriotly, the goverment.
So the entire community of oil familes had to leave the area, people from EVERY oil company you can think of, all uprooted, and scatered. During the
time leading up to the election and after it, his face was everywhere, painted on walls, huge murals at the Mall, and the Hotel, you know, like how
Saddam was all over Iraq, thats that the best anology i can give.
And for the assertion that he is not power hunger, i suggest you do a little more research. He has pushed thru legislation that will allow him to
serve as President for... well... as long as he wants (ala his idol Castro[By the way, Chavez calls Castro his idol, i can't stuff like that up]),
and has cut the broadcasting rights to oppisition televisoin stations that did not support him. And i am sure there is countless more examples,
because we know our media doesn't cover much of anything that is serious.
PS, that story i told earlier, you will find no refrence to that in ANY media outlet, as far as America goes, it never happen, in reality, Venezuela
was a diffrent voting outcome away from the 2nd coup attempt in less then a decade.
Also, make no mistake that the american media favors Chavez and his polocies, and people within high ranks of state and local goverment, have public
lauded Chavez 'style' of democracy, ill let you guess what party they are affiliated with...
So yea, i don't like the guy... sorry for the rant.
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reply to post by TKainZero
Wow, that was an insightful story.
I never really researched Chavez's rise to power, but now it seems I really want to. I was pretty sure he was a power hungry dictator, but now it is
more evident.
Personally, I would storm the legislature if I was a Venezuelan. Screw Chavez and his tyrannical police state.
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Originally posted by DINSTAAR
I never really researched Chavez's rise to power, but now it seems I really want to. I was pretty sure he was a power hungry dictator, but now it is
more evident.

His rise to power was fine, and was perfectly legit acording to my knowledge, thru the vote of democracy, his re-election seemed a bit fishy, as he
had electronic voting machines if my memory serves correct.
It is the devolopments that will allow him to stay in power that are far more intresting, and current.
I could see the situation getting bad at some point with Ven. Weather it be a Cuba style no-trade embargo, or an Iraqi style war to protect the land
that oil lies on. After 50 years or so of Castro, we can look to a long history with Chavez.
Dictators come to power under the guise of democracy. <-(Im sure some smart person said that before me, but i have no idea who that would be,
possibly some greek or roman about 2000 years ago)
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
really?
i see chavez as someone who isn't power hungry but merely an idealist with an egocentric view of how change can be obtained for his nation.
he's just a bit of a prick, a prick with good intentions.

You know what the Road to Hell is paved with, right?
Many of the worst crimes and atrocities in history have been perpetrated with the best of intentions. It is amazing how much of Chavez's behavior and
march towards authoritarianism is excused because he has good intentions.
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