How much longer can we as a nation tolerate this? Millions and millions of uneducated, unskilled people flooding our borders will be the downfall of this nation.

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this is total immigration...
so your bigotry is apparent.
not all immigrants are unskilled or uneducated. many of them are quite skilled or quited educated. my family immigrated to the USA. why? so my dad could get his master's and PHD in physics. hmm...
yes, there are all those students who come to the USA, those count as immigrants too.

also, the argument kind of fails when the exact same one was used against irish and german immigration.

The overwhelming majority of immigrants come from destitute, 3rd world nations. I never said all did I?



Try again.

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ok, so your solution is to stop immigration?


here's my solution set things up so that the people that come in can become productive and contributing members of society

You seem to always imply that this is somehow incumbent upon the U.S to do this. Do these people come from nations without governments? What are those governments doing to improve the situation of their citizenry?

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Absolutely. Our population is growing without it, there is no need for any further immigration.




Thats not our job, nor our duty.

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Excellent point Speaker.

Perhaps a good solution would be to help some of these other countries improve their situations so all of their people don't want to flee to America. Wait...that would be policing the world and bullying other countries wouldn't it?

Question for the OP on this as well. Do these numbers on immigration reflect legal or illegal immigration?

"quited educated" um, er, well ok. Not a form of poetic english I've heard before but...
Politico industrial/military machine LOVES cheap labor. Especially Mexicanas. They bust their bums, don't b', don't file greivances or work injury related forms...they are gold.
They don't start unions. Ask how many 'outsourced' and foreclosing legals how you feel about this and you just might find they don't feel the love.
Unfortunately, the porous border thing might bite em in the bum, when some unscrupulous drivers LOL might decide to bring some sleeper Hajjis over with some special packages as opposed to letting 70 Mexicanas rot in 134 degree trailer for some extra crow.
Yeah, we DON'T like it, not one bit.
sp

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well, i meant in terms of "have schools and opportunities"

these people should be given the same chance to succeed as everyone else

Is that not the responsibility of their respective governments?

By the way, there's not a link to the article.

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Madenessinmysoul, are you an American? If so where do you live?

I see the negative effects of immigration - legal and illegal - on a daily basis so dont tell me how wonderful it is when the reality is the total opposite. We have no need for mass immigration here in the US, quite frankly we should declare a 10 year moratorium on all immigration so we can get things under control and rebuild the system, and after 10 years we permanently cap it at 100,000 per year.

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He's American, but no longer lives in the states.

I saw it mentioned, so here is the link to the original statement. My quote was the entire thing, and it comes from the census bureau.

click here

Slacker, Thanks for posting those stats. I would appreciate a freeze on immigration at this time. I think we're just a bit overwhelmed with some of the immigration problems right now.

I don't know if those Census stats include illegals, can you tell us if the stats are inclusive or not?

Madness, we have people entering the US through VISAs or through basic immigration and although some do "contribute", some don't. Unfortunately, those who become legal citizens can qualify for our entitlement programs and that is proving to be more costly than we have the budget for. We can't even afford our OWN.

Many studies have shown that these people have also offset the ability for American-born citizens to get employment in their disciplines. I'd prefer a US citizen to have the right to be gainfully employed and productive instead of watching legal (or illegal) immigrants take what was not their rights by birth here in the US. I am not alone in my sentiments.

Corporate America wants us all to believe that the US is short on employees in the IT and hard science/engineering disciplines. They want increases in work VISAs for their corporate needs. Quite a few foreigners who come to the US on work VISAs will apply for permanent residence/citizenship once here. VISAs need to be decreased so that work here in America can first be offered to Americans. Plain and simple: America first. The reality is that quite a few American graduates here are not hired because foreigners have taken the job for less money. The only motivation is corporate profit.

I would prefer that those who are American citizens be the first-choice, first "priviledged", to become productive in their native country. The US can't solve the world's problems or hire everyone, although the US is outsourcing WAY more than it should.

"The American Dream" is just that. It's not "The Mexican Dream" or "The Chinese Dream". Not everyone can live here.

Exactly how I feel Zoltan, help Americans first and then others but make sure America and Americans are put first. Afterall, thats what I would expect every country to do.

You are also right on with the corporate greed as well.

Zoltan-

Given that there is no reliable way to count the number of illegal invaders crossing our southern border every day, my guess is that those numbers are for legal immigrants only.

Doing the math, it shows a gain of a little over 1 million immigrants every year, which coincides with the numbers of people who come here legally.

It's estimated that anywhere from 1 million up to 3 million illegals enter the U.S. every year as well, so those numbers must be taken into account as well.

We are losing our nation, our culture, and our way of life. Immigration must be halted immediately through whatever means necessary

Bill Gates can go screw himself sideways for wanting to increase the number of H1b visas issued so he can hire indian immigrants to work for Microsoft at a fraction of the wage Americans want.

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It seems to have been good enough for whatever shiprats spawned your family, and their successive generations of anchor babies on up the line to yourself though, huh?

"I'm already here, close the borders!"

"Our culture and way of life"? What exactly, is that? Specifics, please.

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It's amazing to me that no one can ever answer why America is somehow obligated to make sure every other nation on earth have the same quality of life as we do here. Do these countries and people have no government of their own? Are their governments not the ones that are truly obligated to make sure there constituients have what they need? Since when has that become an obligation of the American taxpayer?

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Yet I'll bet you believe the American taxpayer has no obligation to foot the bill for improving American lives, either.

'Splain to me, why immigration was great for your ancestors but should be prevented for everyone else. Perhaps you should hie off to whatever rat-infested squalor heap of a country your ancestors hail from, and then present your argument for why they should have been kept out?

You're right, I don't. I understand that everyone needs help now and again. However, these people who are capable of helping themselves but don't,they just live off of others, basically,I really have no use for.

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