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Topic started on 22-2-2008 @ 12:21 PM by centurion1211
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This really a horrific story and just one example of the problems caused by people that should not even be in this country.
Original News Article
 A school bus and several other vehicles crashed in southwestern Minnesota, killing four students and forcing the first-arriving motorists to rush
some of the injured to nearby hospitals.
The bus was hit by a van around 3:25 p.m. Tuesday on a highway south of Cottonwood. The bus then hit a pickup truck and tipped on its side, State
Patrol Lt. Mark Peterson said. At least 14 people were hurt.
Other motorists also stopped and took kids from the driver. "You just wanted to make sure it was safe," she said. "They were screaming and
screaming on the bus. There were so many kids."
Nothing much was said (for PC reasons?) about the driver in the original news story. Then (apparently reluctantly) the truth emerges ...
Driver Info
 Illegal Alien Caused Fatal Bus Accident That Killed Four Students
“Among those killed were two brothers, Jesse Javens, 13, and Hunter Javens, 9, as well as Reed Stevens, 12, and Emilee Olson, 9. At least 14 other
people were hurt.”
It’s a tragic story, with elements that, as so often happens, make little sense. The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that Morales has a
“Minnesota identification card” but does not have a driver’s license. I’m not sure what a “Minnesota identification card” is, or how an
illegal alien can get one. In 2006, Morales was convicted of driving without a license. It appears that, not only does Morales not have a license, she
does not know how to drive a car:
Recalling that incident, Sandra Keding of Montevideo said in an interview Thursday that she had been reading the newspaper in her home that afternoon
when she heard gravel flying.
“I stood up from the couch and looked out my window and this car was coming right toward my house,” said Keding, 45. “The car hit the curb, came
right up on my yard and stopped about 12 feet from the front of my house.”
She recalled that Morales was driving and that she was “shaking all over and was a total wreck.” When Morales tried to shift the automatic
transmission on the blue Dodge Neon, she couldn’t.
“She apparently didn’t know how to drive the car,” Keding said. “I had to get in and move it. She acted like she didn’t know how to
shift.”
Police arrived and ticketed Morales for driving without a Minnesota license.
As a result of that incident, Morales was fined $182. It seems inconceivable that this prosecution could have been carried out without it coming to
light that Morales is an illegal alien, but apparently no effort was made to deport her. She remained, it seems, an unguided missile on the state’s
highways until her path tragically collided with that of a school bus containing 28 children. Here is how a witness described the school bus
accident:
The driver of the truck told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis that he saw the van run the stop sign.
“I saw the maroon van run a stop sign, it blew over the railroad tracks and hit the bus, sending it sliding into me,” James M. Hancock, 45, of
Marshall, told the newspaper from his hospital bed in Sioux Falls, S.D. “The next thing I knew, they were hauling kids out and it was chaos.”
It’s a sad story, for Morales as well as the families of the dead and injured children aboard the bus. But it is impossible to understand how anyone
can try to justify the institutional refusal to enforce our laws that leads to such tragedies.
Some may try to say that this is only an isolated case, but it clearly is not. Our prisons are full of illegals, as are emergency rooms where they go
for free health care. They are filling up schools and taking welfare benefits that should be going to needy citizens. It is simply time to send
these people back to their home countries.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:30 PM by ATruGod
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My son was hit by a Hispanic person who then fled the scene (he luckily only got some cuts and bruises), I have another friend whos daughter was hit
in a crosswalk by a hispanic woman with no license. Granted I don't know if either were illegal but running from an accident scene and having no
license leads one to believe they arent exactly legal
This is not an isolated incident, it is actually rather out of control.
Something needs to be done.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:37 PM by _Phoenix_
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Yeah and some girl got raped and killed by a good old USA man.
Seperation breeds ignorance and hate.
The more people treat people as outsiders instead of humans, the more trouble we will have, I say let the whole world be free, anyone can live
anywhere they want, it's a shame we can't make a world wide agreement.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:42 PM by Crakeur
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Nothing much was said (for PC reasons?) about the driver in the original news story. Then (apparently reluctantly) the truth emerges ... 
because his status here isn't a part of the story. more legal citizens kill people in this nation on a daily basis than illegals. perhaps we should
toss the citizens and let the illegals have a go at it instead.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:45 PM by ATruGod
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But thats just it we arent all the same and we never will be.
I honestly think its ignorant to think we could live in a world as one people when we have religions with different gods with different agendas (and
ways of carrying them out).
Until we can all come to the conclusion that we are in this as one people (Humans) and that our Gods (or words translated as from our gods)shouldnt
rule our lives we are going to have problems.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:45 PM by ThichHeaded
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Ya I get that feeling to.. The only reason you put this story here is cause the guy is an illegal immigrant.
Why don't you talk about people who are here illegally who are forced as sex slaves??
Don't have much zest to it I guess..
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:52 PM by centurion1211
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Here's why I believe this kind of thinking is exactly wrong:
IF this person was not here illegally, this tragedy would not have happened.
IF this person had been deported (instead of coddled) after her first crash, this tragedy would not have happened.
So, to say the driver's status is not part of the story, is simply wrong. If not for the driver's status (illegal), there wouldn't be a story
to discuss.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:54 PM by _Phoenix_
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Originally posted by ATruGod
reply to post by _Phoenix_
But thats just it we arent all the same and we never will be.
I honestly think its ignorant to think we could live in a world as one people when we have religions with different gods with different agendas (and
ways of carrying them out).
Until we can all come to the conclusion that we are in this as one people (Humans) and that our Gods (or words translated as from our gods)shouldnt
rule our lives we are going to have problems. 
I live in London, a place of a HUGE multiculture of different people from all over the world, I love it. It works, and yes we are ALL the same, but we
are all unique, we can all learn from each other.
It's just genetics, once we get over that, we can move on to the next step and just get along.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:54 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Ya I get that feeling to.. The only reason you put this story here is cause the guy is an illegal immigrant.
Why don't you talk about people who are here illegally who are forced as sex slaves??

 The very simple answer to that is the same as I previously stated - they wouldn't be sex slaves here if they weren't here illegally.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 12:56 PM by madnessinmysoul
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so...
if citizens were not here legally, all the crimes they committed wouldn't happen
see, your post may have some logic to it, but it's not really logic that can justify things
there is no evidence that illegal immigrants cause accidents at a rate higher than legal immigrants or citizens
there's no evidence that they commit rape, murder, or any other crime in higher numbers than people with legal status...
so.....your logic is kind of flawed.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:00 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Yeah and some girl got raped and killed by a good old USA man.
Seperation breeds ignorance and hate.
The more people treat people as outsiders ...[edit on 22-2-2008 by _Phoenix_] 
Uh, but that's exactly what they are, now isn't it? In this case an outsider apparently as ignorant or our laws as she was on how to drive a
vehicle. But there she was, allowed to be a loose cannon on the roads of the U.S. until she finally kills 4 kids. Nothing more than bleeding-heart
PC could allow this to happen and be offered as a "defense" for this illegal.
So, where are your bleeding hearts for the (citizen) victims and their families?
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:01 PM by Rasobasi420
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But they would be sex slaves somewhere else....
And if the driver hadn't killed someone here, they may have killed somewhere else (which is OK right?)
The legal status of this individual isn't relevant. If I were to hit someone in NYC, is that reason enough to ban Rhode Islanders from New York?
And if she had been legal, would she not have been in the same accident?
Your logic falls apart under any type of scrutiny.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:02 PM by mrmonsoon
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You are not looking at the correct comparison, C.
The CORRECT comparison would be the number of accidents caused by illegals divided by the number of illegals.
Sure, whites cause more accidents, but their are many more of them.
What you need is the number of accidents per person comparisons.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:04 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by centurion1211
so...
if citizens were not here legally, all the crimes they committed wouldn't happen

Utter foolishness.
What's your point and what exactly are you trying to defend here?
Again, what about the rights of our citizens not to be killed or injured by people that should not even be here?
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:10 PM by marg6043
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Well let stop the illegals causes or not more accidents than legals.
Firs of all I am Spanish everybody know me by that, second I live in the south, I can say by experiences here in the 11 years that I have
been a GA resident that the illegal population has grown very significantly, also the incidents and accidents including death, spouse abuse, traffic
and violence, alcohol within the Spanish groups and is spilling over..
I am been bias? I don't think so, I worked with illegals I have worked with their families, through the school system why? because many
of the illegals that come for seasonal jobs have problems with no only their communication but they do not know how to read or write.
That means no driving licenses in the legal way to obtain, but that doesn't mean that they can not obtain them the illegal way, as I can testify many
of the people I worked with were driving cars even when they could no read or write.
How about that.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:11 PM by Becker44
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It appears the sympathizers refuse to confront the main issue:
Illegal imigrant.
I'm not sure what part of illegal they are grappling with but perhaps they could enlighten me.
Political Correctness is allowing many illegals to remain in this country even after a conviction. Everyone is tiptoeing around this massive problem.
I have absolutely no problem with anyone wanting to be a citizen of the U.S. The person who is now responsible for the pain and anquish of 4 families
is not a citizen.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:12 PM by centurion1211
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
But they would be sex slaves somewhere else....
And if the driver hadn't killed someone here, they may have killed somewhere else (which is OK right?)

Exactly. You seem to be getting it now. Somewhere else. Their problem - if they also did nothing to keep it from happening there. You also need to
understand that we as a country are not responsible for the poor of the world - especially in their own countries. Now, if you personally want to go
to somewhere in Mexico and adopt a needy person in order to "save" them - by all means go for it. Otherwise, easy to talk or write ...
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:12 PM by Rasobasi420
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You're right Centurion, if I'm going to be killed, I want it to be by an American so I can be proud of it.
That's ridiculous. There's no evidence that says the proportionate crime rate committed by illegal aliens is any higher than those committed by
citizens.
Again, your logic is flawed.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:18 PM by _Phoenix_
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Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Yeah and some girl got raped and killed by a good old USA man.
Seperation breeds ignorance and hate.
The more people treat people as outsiders ...[edit on 22-2-2008 by _Phoenix_] 
Uh, but that's exactly what they are, now isn't it? In this case an outsider apparently as ignorant or our laws as she was on how to drive a
vehicle. But there she was, allowed to be a loose cannon on the roads of the U.S. until she finally kills 4 kids. Nothing more than bleeding-heart
PC could allow this to happen and be offered as a "defense" for this illegal.
So, where are your bleeding hearts for the (citizen) victims and their families? 
Whatever you say.
But I will tell you now, MORE deaths than any other from humans have been caused from outsider syndrome: "this land is ours, no it's ours" "hey
look at those black guys, lets allow them to be our slaves" "our country is better than your country!" " Germans are superior to all other races"
ect etc etc.
Seperation leads to ignorance, which leads to wars, violence and death.
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reply posted on 22-2-2008 @ 01:25 PM by intrepid
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What about those that are killed every day by illegals? I imagine you're going, "Huh? What? That's my point." I mean the illegals(citizens)
that have had their licences revoked for drunk driving. I'd wager there's a much bigger pile of those.
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