How would a war with China be fought?

then only War China can wage against the US is $, if the Chinese sell back all their bonds to the US, imagine the mess, why Chinese would waste their humans or even more weapons to strike against the US?

[edit on 16-3-2008 by keops]

Are we discussing conventional warfare only? I don't think the Chinese would have the same limitations on their thinking as we appear to have. My guess is it will begin with a variation of mouse polio designed to target non-asians. (I believe the Chinese lead in this type of bio-research). This would be embedded in cheap christmas cards shipped to Wal-mart and then americans would be left to spread them via the us mail to every corner of the country. The entire country would be in chaos with half the population dead before anyone knew we had been attacked or who had attacked us.
The Chinese do not have a military industrial complex trying to get rich off the sales of conventional weapons and therefore encouraging conventional war. They would be quite happy with a bio-weapon that produces no retaliation/damage to their home land.
And this is how they would do it as they know everyone is watching the movements of their ground forces, navy, missles, etc. No is watching their imports.
Naaah, just teasing. It's a silly idea. I've been up to long and was just feeling silly. Let's count missles and keep this real.

I assume you mean with thier ICBM's?

If they target reactors on the west coast:

Columbia Generating Station, WA
San Onofre, Southern California

You have two. You still would not get the same effect as the cities I listed above in terms of casulties.

4 of the targets I listed have sig. military infrastructures to hit.

Hawaii home fo the Pacific Fleet
San Francisco bay Area: Silicoln Valley and Lawrence Livermore Nuclear Labs.
San Diego: USN fleet instalation
Seatle/Bremington: home to the pacific SSBN's



Sorry i was not suggesting outright help, but rather NOT helping China by suppling oil after they get blockaded. If they do then China will have alot of oil and The US will not interdict supplies comming in from Russia (or at least while they are on Russian soil)



No doubt the whole fleet would be needed.



I agree that supply and logistics would always be an issue with the US fighting a war accross the Pacific. However, i doubt also that the USN would trail thier coats super close to the chinese mainland thus reducing the number of missiles, and aircraft that could strike them, thus reducing the amount of expendatures.

Also the USAF would also provide some cover with BARCAPS, and B-52's and B-1 launching harpoons and CALCMS against costal airfields and defence instalations.

We could crush china right now. Just stop buying their junk located in walmarts, targets and other discount stores.

[edit on 16-3-2008 by Witness2008]

Yeah good, what an ignorant comment. You seem to forget that the US economy depnds on thse cheaps imports to keep their citizens happy with their purchasing power.
Not to mention China also produces most of the components used in the computer you're using as well as other tech goodies such as Iphones and Ipods to mention but a few.
This century is China's - the US has become a country of lazy overpaid hypocritical sycophants.
Also the eductaion in the US if woeful, I am amazed at how many people who have graduated from school are uneducated compared to the rest of the western world. The US is breeding a nation of stupid egocentric morons.

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Great!! Another chinese telling Americans how it all works. The cheap S$%# that comes from china ends up in landfills over here. Computer technology was handed to the chinese via this country. I'm pretty sure we could figure it out without the chinese.

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I'm not entirely sure what Americans YOU have been talking to but I can assure you that your image of the American is not the norm. I live in the city of Chicago where Wal-Mart is actually banned due to the big box ordinance and I get by just fine at my local corner shop. Not to mention that the education level of those around me is excellent, my father has a doctorate in neuroscience and my mother has one in psychology. I myself am in high school but I'm aiming for a similar level. Just about everyone else I know happens to have the same education/educational goals, so I don't know how you are generalizing America in the way that you are. Not everyone is a junkie sitting back listening to korn while stuffing themselves with mcdonalds, in fact I am sitting here listening to one of Wagner's operas and chomping on a nice golden delicious apple.

I understand your frustration with the ignorance that slithers through this forum but countering ignorance with more ignorance makes not an ingnorance free discussion, it makes a mess.

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not imediate casualties , but hitting to , working nuclear reactors would have a greater long term effect than hitting a city

th rest wasn`t directly meant for you , more of a comment in genral as more than a few posters seem to think that russia would assist china

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USAF barcaps - they would be on the legs to be in tange from anywhere that would offer assistance - japan is right in harms way so they would stay out - and going to taiwan? theres alot of ordnance pointed that way so it would be hazardous; you can`t fly barcaps from guam and diego garcia - so that asks - would the US actually ask permission to fly from japan? or would japan ask the USA to leave?

If China attacks any US asset in Japanese/South Korean territory and or attacks Japanese/South Korean land then Japan/South Korea will get involved. And given that Chinese strategy relies on pre emptive strikes on US forward bases, well you can figure out the rest.

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A bigger question is would US carry out a retaliatory strike? Maybe not, especially if China only set off a nuke in the sky to EMP US and Japan assets and prevent aircraft from taking off for a short period of time. Would US send their ICBMs to China knowing China will retaliate (Yes, China's DF-41 ICBM has a range of 12,000km -- built in the 90s)? I doubt it. US people wouldn't say, "Lets sacrifice America's West Coast to liberate Taiwan." The battle would quickly change to the diplomatic tables and Taiwan would now be back under China control.

Both Japan and South Korea may retaliate. But, like US, would both countries see the fight worth it? Don't forget North Korea may be thrown into the mix.

The US would consider any form of "Space Pearl Harbor", especially one which would use EMP from a nuclear warhead to be a direct nuclear attack. China would never open any confrontation with the US with nuclear weapons, it's suicide as they are massively inferior in that category.

Also, to any aggression by China (given it's not NBC oriented) the US would not respond immediately with nuclear or ballistic missiles. Both sides would try to limit it to an intense but short conventional confrontation which would determine who the "winner" and "loser" was. Such a confrontation would happen likely over Taiwan and away from Chinese and US soil. China would not attack US bases in the region hence the US will not immediately target mainland china. There is a distinct psychological, military and political difference from forces of both sides fighting over air and water and from attacking sovereign territory via missiles. If such a result is not forthcoming and cooler heads don't prevail then we would see a prolonged conventional war which would eventually lead to mainland China and US regional bases getting attacked.

And once more, unless one side wins so decisively that the other is unable to respond or cooler heads prevail, it will eventually go nuclear.

[edit on 19-3-2008 by WestPoint23]

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Yes, WestPoint. Your points are all valid and have the highest percentage of chance to happen in this forum's scenario. But, many variables will come to play when hostilities do occur.

When China invades Taiwan, they may explode a nuclear weapon in the air if it guarantees them a victory. It is just a theoretical scencario. Chinese military leaders may gamble thinking the US would not want to sacrifice its West Coast for a tiny nation island. And, I am sure that is how the Dragon's Lair got formed in someone's head.

China will probably save its needs to invade Taiwan when they finally have enough nuclear arsenal make US think twice. Say two ICBMs for each US major city. The pace China is growing and developing far exceeds US. They are catching up quickly.

But inversely who is to say China would be willing to sacrifice all of it's population, industrial and military targets for a "tiny nation island"? Such a gamble is too large to take even if you have peer capability in terms of nuclear weapons. This was shown to be the case for most of the Cold War. Nuclear war is irreversible and the effect of using nuclear weapons first against a superior or equal nuclear power is fortunately certain. And it is this ceirtanty which makes the use of nuclear weapons, by China, in any conflict, largely unimaginable.

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And that is true, WestPoint. Relationships are a two-way street. I just hope sane minds will stay in power and no fanatics take control of either nuclear power.

I predict China's technology will have caught up to the US in less than a generation. Who knows within 20 years China may finally be able to deploy carrier groups. Things could get very interesting. We could have a 2nd Cold War front with China in the Pacific, Indian Ocean and who know where else China would like to spread their influence.

I would inform Israel that they are no longer a U.S. ally and unless they deal with China immediately we will give the land back to Palestine. I would then contact the creators of all world atlas's and instruct them as to the corrections and reserve 500 million copies for free distribution. I would then inform Israel of the distribution date. That date is the date that China loses the war.

The celebration would include the worlds largest book bonfire and we would all bring our weenies and marshmallows!

btw, our number of nuclear weapons would remain the same.

[edit on 22-3-2008 by dk3000]