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Hitler was a socialist first and a fascist second




Topic started on 6-4-2008 @ 09:48 PM by gdeed


Mussolini created fascism and Italy was a fascist country before and during the Second World War. But Italy was never able to spread fascism and was easily defeated by the English and Americans in 1945. The socialist somehow managed to place the fascist tag on Hitler because they didn’t like their leftwing ideology tarnished by Hitler.

Mussolini was a Marxist before he became a fascist, which didn’t take much tweaking from one ideology to the other. Funny that Marxist, communist, and socialist pretend to hate fascism when really there isn’t much difference between them other than twisting words and phrases. They all want control over the working class and the power that comes with it.



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reply posted on 6-4-2008 @ 10:14 PM by Odium


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Which Socialist texts did Hitler follow?

I'd like the exact Socialist texts by name please, otherwise he was about as much of a Socialist as Stalin was.

reformed-theology.org...



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reply posted on 7-4-2008 @ 11:32 AM by grover


The communists and socialists understood, unlike the poster of this thread that Hitler and the NAZI's used the word socialist in their name as a cover or a ploy to ruse the common man who in those countries at that time were heavily socialist in their political leaning, into voting for them. In all reality the NAZI ideology was anything but and in practice they were hyper capitalists.



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reply posted on 7-4-2008 @ 03:08 PM by Sestias


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You're engaging in a logical fallacy called "reductio ad Hitlerum." This is a fallacy wherein everything Hitler was for is reduced to something evil. For example, Hitler loved dogs, so dogs must be evil. Hitler wanted the trains to run on time, so that must be evil too. I agree that he was a socialist only in party name, but even if he said he was in favor of socialism that wouldn't necessarily mean socialism is evil.



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reply posted on 7-4-2008 @ 06:01 PM by gdeed



Originally posted by Odium
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Which Socialist texts did Hitler follow?

I'd like the exact Socialist texts by name please, otherwise he was about as much of a Socialist as Stalin was.


Like all Socialists, he followed his own version of take from those that produce, take the means of production out of the hands of the working man and business people. like Hugo Chaves is doing to his people now. There is no one way to take from others and give to yourself. Call it what you will, but stealing comes to mind.



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reply posted on 7-4-2008 @ 06:10 PM by gdeed



Originally posted by grover
The communists and socialists understood, unlike the poster of this thread that Hitler and the NAZI's used the word socialist in their name as a cover or a ploy to ruse the common man who in those countries at that time were heavily socialist in their political leaning, into voting for them. In all reality the NAZI ideology was anything but and in practice they were hyper capitalists.



Socialism is taking control of most if not all business, in other words the state has their hands and a say in everything mom and pop does in their business. Kind of like here in the USA. Perhaps that's what’s wrong with this country, we are slowly being taken over by socialist democrats. We like to blame corporations for all evils but what corporation has real control of what they do?

Nazis like Socialists and communist love Capitalists, otherwise there would be nothing for them to take over, or steal.



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reply posted on 7-4-2008 @ 06:14 PM by gdeed



Originally posted by Sestias

You're engaging in a logical fallacy called "reductio ad Hitlerum." This is a fallacy wherein everything Hitler was for is reduced to something evil. For example, Hitler loved dogs, so dogs must be evil. Hitler wanted the trains to run on time, so that must be evil too. I agree that he was a socialist only in party name, but even if he said he was in favor of socialism that wouldn't necessarily mean socialism is evil.


Socialism itself is not evil, people are evil, and communism and Socialism make people more evil because it gives the leaders power over the working class. The working class fair a thousand times better under Capitalism.



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